Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x05 - "Imposters"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Commander Richard, Mar 15, 2023.

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  1. jackoverfull

    jackoverfull Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    he certainly lived trough the war and probably was in Starfleet, as he knows a bit about changelings, however he might have been still in engineering, possibly not even an officer yet and perhaps never saw any action.
     
  2. IMC Headquarters

    IMC Headquarters Screencaptioning Addict Premium Member

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    Jack is "Chuck" in that he has the Intersect downloaded into his brain.

    Or maybe he's simply the embodiment of head cannon. ;)
     
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  3. Yistaan

    Yistaan Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    They should've had Shaw humming Darth Vader's Imperial March as he sends Picard and Riker off to their court martial. It would've made Picard's "Do you mind?" even more hilarious. :lol:
     
  4. IMC Headquarters

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    Poor Captain Shaw is coming unglued like my Eaglemoss Enterprise-J.
     
  5. Commander K

    Commander K Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Starting to think he was a bit of a badass in the dominion war and broke the rules of warfare quite a few times, then went through some sort of therapy and managed to channel his inner badassery...it's itching to come out though.
     
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  6. cooleddie74

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    He seems like he's about the same age as Rios was and the two men may well have been aware of the other if their ships ever worked together.
     
  7. Photoman15

    Photoman15 Commodore Commodore

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    Maybe they're the 100 the Founders sent out a long time ago (of which Odo was one). They can't get back to the Delta Quadrant and have created their own mini-Great Link. And now they're pissed off how the Federation defeated their people.
     
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  8. Finn

    Finn Bad Batch of TrekBBS Admiral

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    Better than a grieving child causing the Burn. :shrug:
     
  9. Yistaan

    Yistaan Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Todd Stashwick is 10 years older than Santiago Cabrera though. Doesn't mean anything for their characters (we are watching Ed Speleers play a 21 year old after all) but still.
     
  10. fireproof78

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    I doubt it.

    But, then I know how Season 3 ends and like it for Discovery. Picard is a varying stretch of odd switchbacks of a trail right now.
     
  11. Deks

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    The thing that bugged me about Shaw is his statement that Picard violated the P.D. to snog a certain Ba'Ku.

    Shaw seems to have a selective memory, because as far as I recall, Dougherty was the one who violated the Prime Directive... Picard and ENT-E were DRAGGED into the situation due to Data rebelling and trying to protect the villagers (which drew them there to begin with - at that point, they started an investigation to see what caused Data to do what he did which led to uncovering a whole conspiracy).

    Also, as it turned out, the Ba'Ku were in fact Warp capable... and Picard and his crew were trying to RESTORE state of things on Ba'Ku planet (and in essence upholding the Prime Directive) by removing the interference from the joint So'Na and Dougherty alliance.

    Did he interfere? Technically, yes, but I don't think he broke the P.D. He was trying to remove the external factor that WAS in fact breaking the P.D.
     
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  12. SeamusShameless

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    I really like not being able to guess what is coming next this season. Like, what the fuck is going on with Jack exactly? The Changelings clearly consider him valuable in some way that requires them keeping him alive. I hope they don't go the Jason Vigo or Shinzon route with Jack, I like the idea of Picard having a kid. I'm thinking that maybe Jack had the same defect in the parietal lobe as his father, and Beverly used her medical expertise to skirt the rules and cure her son. Of course, that really doesn't explain how Jack factors into the wider conspiracy.
    I think Lore is the security AI at Daystrom Station. The room they showed when the Vulcan gangster was talking about the AI is the same room from some of Lore's behind the scenes photos.
     
  13. fireproof78

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    Shaw doesn't have a selective memory; he has a bias. He doesn't agree with Picard and skews history in favor of stating Picard's recklessness in support of Shaw's more cautious approach, and preference to the rules.
     
  14. Deks

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    Gamma Quadrant... not Delta Quadrant.
    The hypothesis is not too far fetched though. Laas is an example of one of the 100 who were sent out long ago.
    He could have played a part in this whole thing too.

    But, given it was suggested that SF and at least 12 starships were reportedly compromised... I would imagine that we're dealing with more than just 100 changelings.
    Jack killed 4 changelings... there was 1 on the Titan, but it was suggested that there were MORE of them on the Intrepid (beyond just 4).
    Coupled with the fact the Shrike's entire crew was supposed to be Changelings... and that 12 other SF ships experienced issues, (and goes beyond SF), etc... it suggested MORE than 100.

    As it was suggested on Pic, these Changelings were probably part of the Great Link to begin with (not the 100 that were sent out) but couldn't accept the defeat that happened with the conclusion of the Dominion War, so they started hatching a plan for this.
     
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  15. Yistaan

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    As the So'na and Ba'ku ended up being part of the same race, technically they were in a civil war that the Prime Directive would forbid taking sides in. Of course Picard didn't learn that until halfway through the movie and as you said Admiral Dougherty started it, but Shaw's taking an exact words approach to make Picard look as bad as possible.
     
  16. FreezeC77

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    I think the one thing to keep in mind when people are saying the changelings aren't being smart enough or doing this or that.

    These are probably not 'old/experienced' beings. In fact if they are 'evolved' it may well be genetic engineering and they could all be quite young... So it's not like they're at the level of say the "Female Changeling"

    Also if the crew of the Shrike really are all changelings, they're performing fairly menial tasks which speaks to a difference from how the Founders operated. The evolved changelings may be more like the Clone Troopers.
     
  17. Commander K

    Commander K Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Safe to say this season is turning out to be a love letter to DS9 as much as it is to TNG
     
  18. Deks

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    Confirmation bias is associated with selective memory... so its not an inaccurate statement on my part.
    But, putting that aside, and given what we know transpired in Insurrection, Shaw was wrong. But Picard also never bothered to correct him on that 'little' inconsistency... so the writers are in a way giving a silent 'affirmation' that Shaw was correct (when in fact he wasn't).
     
  19. Brainsucker

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    But, what IF these Changelings are actually genetic engineering Changelings that the Founders do to some of their children for the sake of building new weapon for Dominion sake? I means the Founders will still the same Changelings as before. But they genetic engineering some of their own (young one) to act as weapon, like what they did to Jemhadar.
     
  20. Jarvisimo

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    Don't be obtuse; fifty years later we remember Lee Harvey Oswald, we remember war heroes from the second world war, astronauts and presidents and generals and so on. Worf killed the leader of the second most powerful nation in the alpha/beta quadrant environment, and was/is a member of the ruling imperial house. He was central of every major aspect of imperial politics during several wars, indeed saving the empire. It's only been twenty five years since that period, his image and activities would be central to any history of the period (even though he was just a middling to lower officer then brief ambassador). Yes some people might not recognise him, but that's unlikely for anyone who dabbles in intelligence and secrets and lived through that period...as our criminal leaders of m'talas prime seem to have done so.