Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 5x02 - "Under the Twin Moons"

[evilchumlee]

It would be cool if it was intentional: put different parts in Federation, Klingon and Romulan territory, to make it extra hard to get them all.

Seems likely. Although it's hard to say EXACTLY when he was hiding all of the information, it might not have mattered as much. If we're talking post-Hobus, it's probably not hard to move around.

But given the looks of his wardrobe, it seems like the 2370's.

Also just a side note, good on Discovery for not just arbitrarily and for no reason "visually updating" things that don't need to be visually updated.

 

[Frostscape One]

Another possibility, going that route.

Instead of it done because it would be more difficult, he did it so it had everyone work together. Which would be in keeping with the message of the episode and the Progenitors. Perhaps he envisioned a distant future where each of the empires really were closer and more unified, making this the reward for unity.

(This is probably wishful thinking on my part, but I figured I'd throw it out there anyway.)

 

[Captain Jollydark]

Assumption.

Loss of knowledge can be devastating. Currently, we cannot, without great time, effort and expense, build a Saturn V like they did for the Apollo missions.

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=16155.0

Or the cement formula Roman's used.

 

[evilchumlee]

(This is probably wishful thinking on my part, but I figured I'd throw it out there anyway.)

I don't think it's an out there idea.

The thing is, if you want to hide something so dangerous to make sure that nobody ever finds it... maybe it's not the best idea leave a bunch of clues to form a map to find it?

Loss of knowledge can be devastating. Currently, we cannot, without great time, effort and expense, build a Saturn V like they did for the Apollo missions.

I found this interesting and reading up on it, it seems less that we don't know how to built a Saturn V... we don't know how to build a Saturn V without resorting to 1960's safety standards.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Maybe someone mentioned it before, but why would a Romulan scientist put a critical piece of information on Trill, part of the Federation and therefore enemy territory?
It would be cool if it was intentional: put different parts in Federation, Klingon and Romulan territory, to make it extra hard to get them all.

It's not a physical item but the knowledge of a trill symbiont that they need.

 

[Fateor]

It's still a call back to "The Chase". In a very literal sense. What ever was "implied" in TNG can be altered to fit the needs of the current plot. That's the way it works and always has.

By Implied, I meant the progenitors directly stated it in their message.

Our scientists seeded the primordial oceans of many worlds, where life was in its infancy.

They had to somehow encode the humanoid body form into single celled organisms, and make quite a few of them able to reproduce with each other, sometimes with minimal assistance after 4 billion years.

Actually all they had to do is limit the evolutionary pathways of the DNA they seeded on worlds so that evolutionary pressures would naturally lead any resulting life to the humanoid form.

 

[UssGlenn]

Actually all they had to do is limit the evolutionary pathways of the DNA they seeded on worlds so that evolutionary pressures would naturally lead any resulting life to the humanoid form.

How would non humanoid animals and plants evolve?

 

[fireproof78]

Actually all they had to do is limit the evolutionary pathways of the DNA they seeded on worlds so that evolutionary pressures would naturally lead any resulting life to the humanoid form.

And still be genetically compatible with other humanoids across the galaxy. That's absurd level of DNA planning.

 

[Santa Kang]

And still be genetically compatible with other humanoids across the galaxy. That's absurd level of DNA planning.

They are very detail oriented.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

Only thing better would be if Saru did the Naruto run.

Saru running to "Yakety Sax".

 

[Mr Awe]

I always want answers then sometimes regret when I know everything.

That's me too. I always want the answers. But too often the answers don't live up to the mystery.

From a writing standpoint, it's easier to build up a mystery through playing with uncertainties, ambiguous clues, and red herrings versus providing satisfying, coherent answers that exceed expectations and offer a surprising yet believable twist.

 

[Mr Awe]

Kovich K. Kovich.

There's a downside to those initials!

 

[fireproof78]

There's a downside to those initials!

There's also two film/TV show references in there, so at least two upsides.

 

[Mr Awe]

So more bad writing then.

Not really? TNG implied they seeded life in the sense of spreading single celled building blocks from planet to planet and just let things evolve naturally from there.

It's not, the Federation could literally do that 900 years ago.

It might not have anything to do with their DNA skills. It might have more to do with the fact that they're a very old civilization that probably had extremely high tech compared to even the 32nd century.

Shoot, you should see their garbage disposal technology. It can vaporize an entire planet on the wrong setting!

 

[Mr Awe]

There's also two film/TV show references in there, so at least two upsides.

Cool, I missed those! Right over my head!

 

[fireproof78]

Cool, I missed those! Right over my head!

Well, I'm sure it will come to you eventually

 

[Lakenheath 72]

Throwing in another thing we don't know to replicate accurately - Greek fire. This is because the people who made this terrifying weapon kept the making of it a secret and, when they died, the knowledge was lost with them.

A lot of things were lost because of how knowledge was disseminated or stored or, if it fell out of favor or never had favor to begin with a particular group, it was abandoned or destroyed.

Star Trek has always had a dubious relationship with science. I just rewatched "Genesis". The science in that episode, just bad. Watching it this time, I picked up this nugget from the episode -

PICARD: What is it?
DATA: These kittens were born less than twenty four hours. It would appear that Spot's transformation took place at approximately the same time.
PICARD: So Spot was giving birth to the kittens at the same time that she was changing into a reptilian lifeform.
DATA: I believe so. For some reason, the intron virus was not passed on to the kittens. I do not know why.

How does a lizard give birth to kittens?

 

[SantaEddie74]

Hell, it took many centuries for people to rediscover how the domed ceiling of the Pantheon in Rome was accomplished with unreinforced concrete. It's still in place nearly two millennia later and it took engineers generations of study to learn how the ancient Romans accomplished such a feat in the 2nd century A.D.

 

[Fateor]

And still be genetically compatible with other humanoids across the galaxy. That's absurd level of DNA planning.

Nothing in currently known canon says that was done by the Progenitors.

 

[fireproof78]

Nothing in currently known canon says that was done by the Progenitors.

So, various humanoid species can reproduce together after evolving on different worlds because chance?

'Cause that's a stretch to me.