Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[eschaton]

The difference between Star Wars and Star Trek is that in Star Wars you're fighting the man and in Star Trek you are the man.

I don't really think that's true at all. The message of Star Wars is for the most part that only "special" people have agency like those who are Force sensitive. Everyone else is just along for the ride, more or less.

In contrast, in Star Trek, everyone has free will and independent agency. Sure, the crews are mostly in the top 1% of aptitude, but they're fundamentally normal folks, not demigods, and we follow them in their workplace as they come up with cooperative solutions to vexing problems.

 

[Belz...]

I don't really think that's true at all. The message of Star Wars is for the most part that only "special" people have agency like those who are Force sensitive. Everyone else is just along for the ride, more or less.

I think that's a message you can take away from it, but not one that was intended. After all, plenty of SW heroes have no Force powers. Arguably the most popular characters, in fact.

 

[Mudd]

I think that's a message you can take away from it,

It's implicit in the core narrative.

 

[Belz...]

It's implicit in the core narrative.

It's implicit (i.e. interpreted) in the core narrative of Star Wars that non-Force users have no agency?

That some characters have greater "destinies" doesn't remove agency from the other characters.

After all, plenty of SW heroes have no Force powers. Arguably the most popular characters, in fact.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

The Bad Batch, The Mandalorian, The Book of Boba Fett, Solo and Rogue One are all about heroes with no Force powers.

 

[Belz...]

Clearly that means they're just secondary characters.

 

[Noname Given]

I really wonder what George's thought process was behind that addition.

"Now I don't need to pay further royalties to my Ex-wife whose editing helped make STAR WARS a huge success..."

 

[Mudd]

The Star Trek Strange New Worlds series premiere in Canada ...

This is not working out for you.

 

[cooleddie74]

The Bad Batch, The Mandalorian, The Book of Boba Fett, Solo and Rogue One are all about heroes with no Force powers.

And all happen to be better than the three most recent adventures with the main heroes possessing Force powers.

 

[fireproof78]

And all happen to be better than the three most recent adventures with the main heroes possessing Force powers.

Hahaha...

 

[cooleddie74]

Yes, even the lowpoints of The Book of Boba Fett were better than TLJ or TROS.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

And the high points were equal to any episode of The Mandalorian...

 

[Jack Wolfe]

And the high points were equal to any episode of The Mandalorian...

It helped that the high points were The Mandalorian.

 

[cooleddie74]

No lies detected.

 

[fireproof78]

Yes, even the lowpoints of The Book of Boba Fett were better than TLJ or TROS.

Yeah...I find myself going back to the films over anything related to Mandalorian.

To each their own. And more appropriate to another thread. Feel free to comment in my rewatch thread. Just finished Mandalorian Season 2. On to Boba Fett to see if I can finish it.

 

[Belz...]

Yes, even the lowpoints of The Book of Boba Fett were better than TLJ or TROS.

Meh, that's irrelevant anyway. The question isn't whether they're good or not, but whether somehow non-Force users have "agency", whatever the hell that means.

 

[Noname Given]

And the high points were equal to any episodes of The Mandalorian...

FTFY

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Hey, I was trying to be subtle about it!

 

[Jack Wolfe]

Hey, I was trying to be subtle about it!

We're less than subtle about our lack of subtlety around here.

 

[Jack Wolfe]

Meh, that's irrelevant anyway. The question isn't whether they're good or not, but whether somehow non-Force users have "agency", whatever the hell that means.

Chirrut in "Rogue One" absolutely did.