Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[TedShatner10]

Getting back on topic, I don't think NuTrek should jettison serialisation altogether with later DSCO seasons and the next post Picard show in light of SNW's success, just changed serialisation with no apocalypse mystery arcs (which is getting tiring) linked by more episodic stories (though DSCO dabbled with that more than Picard has done).

And I already find DSCO's S4 the most morbidly underrated set of episodes since ENT's S3 (or the high points of TNG's S2).

 

[cooleddie74]

I said it before and I'll say it again. DSC stuck the landing this year despite some slow moments. Species 10-C was the kind of year-end reveal the previous three seasons should have given viewers.

 

[fireproof78]

Getting back on topic, I don't think NuTrek should jettison serialisation altogether with later DSCO seasons and the next post Picard show in light of SNW's success, just changed serialisation with no apocalypse mystery arcs (which is getting tiring) linked by more episodic stories (though DSCO dabbled with that more than Picard has done).

And I already find DSCO's S4 the most morbidly underrated set of episodes since ENT's S3 (or the high points of TNG's S2).

If SNW strikes a balance I'm all for it. As long as it isn't pure episodic style where nothing matters from the past episode and the reset button is hit.

 

[thribs]

I said it before and I'll say it again. DSC stuck the landing this year despite some slow moments. Species 10-C was the kind of year-end reveal the previous three seasons should have given viewers.

If the story was told in 3 episodes, I would agree. The story just dragged over 13 episodes. I just didn’t care by the end

 

[TedShatner10]

I said it before and I'll say it again. DSC stuck the landing this year despite some slow moments. Species 10-C was the kind of year-end reveal the previous three seasons should have given viewers.

Species 10-C will stand the test of time.

The Emerald Chain and the Burn were fine (the Emerald Chain still have milage), the Terrans were at their most campiest and backstabby (so their own worst enemies), Control was the most scary (but far too shrounded in mystery and anonymity, so no personality or reason).

 

[Belz...]

If the story was told in 3 episodes, I would agree. The story just dragged over 13 episodes. I just didn’t care by the end

I think they could've compressed S4 in 6-7 episodes. 3 would've been too compressed, and all the character stuff would've been booted out.

It's impressive that, despite my misgivings about the fourth season, it still managed to outdo S3, though.

 

[Noname Given]

Nah. The prequels, at least, tried to deliver something different. It has always been my firm belief that the prequel movies were all a rewrite and a better director away from being classics. The sequels were just inferior rehash of better material.

Yeah the prequels made it so that Darth Vader built C-3PO oh, that was a 'difference' I could have done without. And don't get me started on the whole midichlorian nonsense...

 

[TRON JA307020]

If the story was told in 3 episodes, I would agree. The story just dragged over 13 episodes. I just didn’t care by the end

Yup. I could not stand all that filler with Saru and the Vulcsn leader. Yeah the time I'd a crisis of galactic survival let's try and get a date with a vulcan. Lol. I used to like saru but since he is no longer Captain he now is unbearable to watch.

 

[Belz...]

Yup. I could not stand all that filler with Saru and the Vulcsn leader. Yeah the time I'd a crisis of galactic survival let's try and get a date with a vulcan. Lol. I used to like saru but since he is no longer Captain he now is unbearable to watch.

Aw, I thought his budding romance with her was cute... I mean, if you ignore the fact that there's a crisis going on and that it's not the time for that at all.

Of course there are also already 3 other romantic relationships on the case, and each takes some narrative space. I'd rather they stuck with Stamets/Culber rather than add more and more.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Aw, I thought his budding romance with her was cute... I mean, if you ignore the fact that there's a crisis going on and that it's not the time for that at all.

Of course there are also already 3 other romantic relationships on the case, and each takes some narrative space. I'd rather they stuck with Stamets/Culber rather than add more and more.

Right. The Stanets and Culber one is fine. It's a stable relationship that was there at the start. The awkward romances that start during a crisis is cringe worthy in my opinion.

 

[fireproof78]

Romance on TV is cringe. It takes real work to make it not so. Trek rarely gets there.

 

[Belz...]

Of course Burnham and Book's relationship is more professionally acceptable than Stamets/Culber's because they are not technically colleagues, but that's me.

 

[Campe]

I have no problem with any of the relationships. People fall in love. Doesn’t matter the time or the place. Is it a little unbelievable that this many couples would occur in a workplace? Sure. But look at The Office. Jim/Pam. Dwight/Angela. Angela/Andy. Michael/Holly. Michael/Jan. Kelly/Ryan. Kelly/Darryl. Erin/Andy. Erin/Pete. I’m sure I’m leaving some out. And no one complains about that show’s romances.

 

[DaveyNY]

Of course Burnham and Book's relationship is more professionally acceptable than Stamets/Culber's because they are not technically colleagues, but that's me.

Stamets and Culber began their relationship long before both being assigned to the USS Discovery.
It's not their fault Star Fleet saw fit to assign them to the same ship.

 

[gweeps]

Interesting how the show has retconned Pike's comment about still being uneasy with women on the bridge in TOS' 'The Cage'.

 

[dupersuper]

I wouldn’t bother. The special editions are fine.

For the most part, but the "musical number" in the remastered Return of the Jedi is the stuff of nightmares, and the multiple versions of the Han/Greedo shootout have descended into parody. If they can find the originals, I'd certainly say watch those first.

Yeah the prequels made it so that Darth Vader built C-3PO oh, that was a 'difference' I could have done without. And don't get me started on the whole midichlorian nonsense...

Don't forget Jar Jar.

We can never forget Jar Jar...

Interesting how the show has retconned Pike's comment about still being uneasy with women on the bridge in TOS' 'The Cage'.

It has? Did this happen in episode 4? I won't get to watch that until Friday morning.

 

[Tuskin38]

I just saw this pointed out.

So the trailers have shown there’s an episode coming up where the Enterprise is turned into some sort of fantasy land.

One of the costumes on display at the Chicago was a dress warn by La’an as ‘Princess Thalia’

That’s a character from the story M’Benga was reading to his daughter.

So it seems like that story comes to life some how.

I’m also going to guess that Uhura is Queen Neve. She did a Queen look to her in the trailers.

 

[Mudd]

Interesting how the show has retconned Pike's comment about still being uneasy with women on the bridge in TOS' 'The Cage'.

Not that interesting, and not a retcon. It's just the difference between a show written in 1964 and one written in 2022.

 

[gweeps]

It has? Did this happen in episode 4? I won't get to watch that until Friday morning.

No, I meant generally. If I remember correctly, TOS's 1st pilot only had, like one, female officer on the bridge. Number One. SNW has, what 4? I just noticed it recently, and thought it was a neat rebuttal to the original series' sexism nonsense still being alive and well in the 23rd century. Hell, now that I think of it, in the TOS series proper, Uhura's usually the only woman on the bridge.

 

[gweeps]

Not that interesting, and not a retcon. It's just the difference between a show written in 1964 and one written in 2022.

Sure, in general it is a retcon. Tell me what happened between Pike's Enterprise and Kirk's where suddenly hardly any women are to be seen? Granted, you're right: one show was written decades ago, but I feel the amount of women on the bridge on SNW is a direct response to that archaic thought process from the 60s et al.