Star Trek: Strange New Worlds. Confirmed.

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by HotRod, May 15, 2020.

  1. mdtauk

    mdtauk Commander Red Shirt

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    What has been missing from the two recent Trek series IMO, is the lack of variety in the stories and storytelling.

    One story, told over multiple episodes, where that story has not been as interesting as it could have been.

    In Berman era Trek, there were stand out episodes either conceptually, structurally, or visually. And some of those stories would grab you and linger in your memory.

    With serialised Trek you may get one or two stand out moments, but could you remember which episode it was from?
     
  2. Ryan Thomas Riddle

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    Let me follow up on my comment on "soap opera melodrama", which I fully think the new production team leans heavily toward when it comes to character development. For example, Burnham and Saru. They start out as rivals but they don't interact all that much as people and only in the midsts of crisis. Then in the episode where Saru is "dying," Burnham is all weepy and saying he's her family. Um... since when? The show has done none of the groundwork to earn that emotional beat.

    Let's contrast that with O'Brien and Bashir. The Chief hated... hated Julian. Hate-ted. But the show laid the groundwork for their eventually bromance. Having the characters interacting with one another and being forced to work with each other on several occasions. So when there were emotional moments, it felt earned.



    As for the seal... well sure. For me, however, I don't need a connect the dots to Kirk's crew. In a military even a quasi one, crews rotate all the time. So no need to have them all on the ship at the same time. But that's me. YMMV.
     
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  3. Jadeb

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    I don’t dislike serialization, in theory, but I don’t care for the formula streaming Trek has adopted. And it really does feel like formula, with all three seasons building to absurd stakes that we know won’t come to pass, only to have the catastrophe averted abruptly (and not very satisfactorily) in the finale. The streaming shows have unprecedented storytelling freedom, yet they already feel repetitive. Only three seasons in, that’s not good. I don’t want more of that.

    I haven’t watched TNG in ages (and am more of a TOS fan), but I threw on Tapestry the other night. I was impressed at how sharp and quick it was. The four-act structure forced a discipline on the writing. I don’t necessarily want to go back to that, but I do think the current shows would benefit from structure other than “fill time until we hand wave Armageddon at the end.”
     
  4. Firebird

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    I don't usually pay attention to those sort of videos on Youtube (down that path can lie madness and frustration), but that one was spot on regarding DSC's lack of character development.
     
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  5. fireproof78

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    I'm sure I'm the outlier but generally yes.

    I see the point many are making for episodic style stories. But, I had my fill of that. If a balanced approach can be made with character continuity with episodic stories then ok. But, even though i don't agree with how all the finales have resolved so far Discovery's approach still appeals.
     
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  6. Turtletrekker

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    We saw two members of the House of Kor on Discovery, it would be nice to meet the man himself on Strange New Worlds. It's a shame they probably wouldn't be able to get Kenneth Mitchell to play him.
     
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  7. Ralphis

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    I think a lot of it is that with the classic TOS/TNG-style stand-alone/episodic/procedural storytelling, you can literally pop in any episode from any season at any given time without having to watch any episodes before or after it to have a complete story. You can even mix-up episodes from different seasons if you wanted to and for the most part you really wouldn't notice. You can go from Balance of Terror to Day of the Dove and then back to Amok Time, all in one evening. You can watch you favorite episodes at any time without having to watch any episode before or after to get the whole story. You can't so that with serialized television.

    I like Discovery and Picard for the most part. And most of my favorite non-Trek shows are serialized. I'm not against serialization at all. But I totally understand why someone would find 13 new stand-alone Star Trek episodes the sink their teeth into appealing.

    I don't have any proof, and it may just be some headcanoning on my part, but I thought maybe the "House of Kor" was named for a Klingon warrior long deceased named Kor, and the Kor from TOS/DS9 was named in honor of the deceased Kor. EDIT: I think I know where I got thos idea now that I've thought about it. This was the approach taken in the IDW comics Star Trek: Discovery: Aftermath series. So, I know it's not canon, but I like the concept.
     
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  8. Skipper

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    Well, TNG was a little more serialized than TOS. Like, for example, in the Klingon Civil War mini-arc.
     
  9. Lord Garth

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    The last time we had a full season of Traditional Trek was ENT Season 2. Hopefully 18 years (from 2003 to 2021) and a different creative team will have made a difference.
     
  10. cultcross

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    Not that new a thing for the board - we were around last time there was a new series. It was partly that experience (the ENT forum was a clusterfuck in the early days) that informs the "slow but steady" approach to starting new forums, and there is now also the issue of the sheer number of new projects being announced. This board doesn't have the traffic it used to, and the more forums you have the more spread out that traffic becomes and the more unwieldy it all is. In general, a forum for a new show is started when there is a sustained level of discussion high enough to warrant it. For SNW, there's one announcement so far and not a frame of filmed footage. Lower Decks has little more, and S31 may not happen at all. Future of Trek has more than enough capacity for this purpose.

    Although you dismiss the issue of new moderators, that is a real factor. A current series forum takes a lot of work as I and the other Disco mods can attest, and we're all volunteers. Asking someone to take on PIC or SNW forums is no small task and most of the active moderators already cover more than one forum. Usually we have to recruit new blood for a new series forum.



    Three serialised seasons of Trek, zero stuck landings, probably doesn't help. I enjoy serialised TV, but the current creative force behind Trek isn't great at it.
     
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  11. Lord Garth

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    I disagree with this, but you know that. I shouldn't be up at 4:00 AM and am too tired to say anything more. So I'm pretty much only saying it just to say it. This is all opinion vs. opinion. :p
     
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  12. cultcross

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    Oh, of course - but I think the spread of the opinion I posted is partly the answer to @Vger23 's question.
     
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  13. mattman8907

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    I’m hoping casting starts soon cause I wanna know who is playing chief engineer louvier and Dr. Boyce cause all the other bridge crew/senior staff is pretty much covered
     
  14. cultcross

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    Not necessarily the same characters as The Cage, of course, this is set after it.
     
  15. F. King Daniel

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    In all but name, Orville season 2 was this in 2017.
     
  16. Rahul

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    I always say that:
    1. Story and plots should be more episodical (even in larger arcs - in ENT season 3 or the Dominion War episodes, each episode had a clear beginning, middle and end)
    2. The CHARACTER arcs should be serialized! The arcs and developments should spill over from one episode to the next.
     
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  17. NCC-73515

    NCC-73515 Commodore Commodore

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    it was set years later
     
  18. Lorcan Kelly

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    Not sure if anyone has seen but there is some great comparisons online from Trek Central/TrekMovie etc showing how much Jeffery Combs looks like Boyce now. That would be a lovely casting choice.
     
  19. Blamo

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    In case the writers are reading this (and they won't be), can I just say one thing. Get all your characters properly fleshed out before the script is written. I want characters with actual personalities, not rear ends to fill bridge seats.

    I do not want another poor Mayweather.

    Some of it is because the writing hasn't really done a good job of it. To be fair very few space opera shows have done well when it comes to story arcs... Largely because the writers have no idea where it's going, but also the issue that a travelling ship makes it difficult to do long story arcs if there isn't something "special" about the leading ship.

    Some of it though is down to pure nostalgia, which seems to be a huge driving force in Star Trek fandom. It's a problem because, well, it doesn't really reflect reality.

    Again, nostalgia before reason. It is a real problem in this fandom.

    Honestly I'm not even a fan of the costumes for the Enterprise crew. Anything that tries to give a different twist on an absurd bright 60's costume just looks like an expensive fanfilm. I just do not like the TOS aesthetic at all.

    As someone else said, it stinks of "small universe". Plus I'm not a huge fan of fanservice and I feel the show should be able to stand on its own. I'd actually have been happy if SNW had been an entirely new crew on an entirely different Constitution class ship.
     
  20. Serveaux

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    So, you're confirming their appearance then...