Star Trek: Strange New Worlds. Confirmed.

[Ralphis]

1. I'm surprised at the revolt against serialization in Star Trek. I don't have any issue with Trek being more episodic...but what is the massive upset about serialization all about? Genuinely curious.

I think a lot of it is that with the classic TOS/TNG-style stand-alone/episodic/procedural storytelling, you can literally pop in any episode from any season at any given time without having to watch any episodes before or after it to have a complete story. You can even mix-up episodes from different seasons if you wanted to and for the most part you really wouldn't notice. You can go from Balance of Terror to Day of the Dove and then back to Amok Time, all in one evening. You can watch you favorite episodes at any time without having to watch any episode before or after to get the whole story. You can't so that with serialized television.

I like Discovery and Picard for the most part. And most of my favorite non-Trek shows are serialized. I'm not against serialization at all. But I totally understand why someone would find 13 new stand-alone Star Trek episodes the sink their teeth into appealing.

We saw two members of the House of Kor on Discovery, it would be nice to meet the man himself on Strange New Worlds. It's a shame they probably wouldn't be able to get Kenneth Mitchell to play him.

I don't have any proof, and it may just be some headcanoning on my part, but I thought maybe the "House of Kor" was named for a Klingon warrior long deceased named Kor, and the Kor from TOS/DS9 was named in honor of the deceased Kor. EDIT: I think I know where I got thos idea now that I've thought about it. This was the approach taken in the IDW comics Star Trek: Discovery: Aftermath series. So, I know it's not canon, but I like the concept.

 

[Skipper]

I think a lot of it is that with the classic TOS/TNG-style stand-alone/episodic/procedural storytelling, you can literally pop in any episode from any season at any given time without having to watch any episodes before or after it to have a complete story.

Well, TNG was a little more serialized than TOS. Like, for example, in the Klingon Civil War mini-arc.

 

[Lord Garth]

The last time we had a full season of Traditional Trek was ENT Season 2. Hopefully 18 years (from 2003 to 2021) and a different creative team will have made a difference.

 

[cultcross]

New forums and new shows are a new thing, with Discovery being the first new show in fifteen years

Not that new a thing for the board - we were around last time there was a new series. It was partly that experience (the ENT forum was a clusterfuck in the early days) that informs the "slow but steady" approach to starting new forums, and there is now also the issue of the sheer number of new projects being announced. This board doesn't have the traffic it used to, and the more forums you have the more spread out that traffic becomes and the more unwieldy it all is. In general, a forum for a new show is started when there is a sustained level of discussion high enough to warrant it. For SNW, there's one announcement so far and not a frame of filmed footage. Lower Decks has little more, and S31 may not happen at all. Future of Trek has more than enough capacity for this purpose.

Although you dismiss the issue of new moderators, that is a real factor. A current series forum takes a lot of work as I and the other Disco mods can attest, and we're all volunteers. Asking someone to take on PIC or SNW forums is no small task and most of the active moderators already cover more than one forum. Usually we have to recruit new blood for a new series forum.

1. I'm surprised at the revolt against serialization in Star Trek. I don't have any issue with Trek being more episodic...but what is the massive upset about serialization all about? Genuinely curious.

Three serialised seasons of Trek, zero stuck landings, probably doesn't help. I enjoy serialised TV, but the current creative force behind Trek isn't great at it.

 

[Lord Garth]

Three serialised seasons of Trek, zero stuck landings, probably doesn't help.

I disagree with this, but you know that. I shouldn't be up at 4:00 AM and am too tired to say anything more. So I'm pretty much only saying it just to say it. This is all opinion vs. opinion.

 

[cultcross]

I disagree with this, but you know that. I shouldn't be up at 4:00 AM and am too tired to say anything more. So I'm pretty much only saying it just to say it. This is all opinion vs. opinion.

Oh, of course - but I think the spread of the opinion I posted is partly the answer to @Vger23 's question.

 

[mattman8907]

I’m hoping casting starts soon cause I wanna know who is playing chief engineer louvier and Dr. Boyce cause all the other bridge crew/senior staff is pretty much covered

 

[cultcross]

Not necessarily the same characters as The Cage, of course, this is set after it.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The last time we had a full season of Traditional Trek was ENT Season 2. Hopefully 18 years (from 2003 to 2021) and a different creative team will have made a difference.

In all but name, Orville season 2 was this in 2017.

 

[Rahul]

I always say that:

1. Story and plots should be more episodical (even in larger arcs - in ENT season 3 or the Dominion War episodes, each episode had a clear beginning, middle and end)
2. The CHARACTER arcs should be serialized! The arcs and developments should spill over from one episode to the next.

 

[NCC-73515]

I wonder if TMP was a shock to the system in 1979 - uniform changed, Klingons changed, Enterprise changed, crew not together. The more fans change, the more they stay the same.

it was set years later

 

[Lorcan Kelly]

Not sure if anyone has seen but there is some great comparisons online from Trek Central/TrekMovie etc showing how much Jeffery Combs looks like Boyce now. That would be a lovely casting choice.

 

[Blamo]

In case the writers are reading this (and they won't be), can I just say one thing. Get all your characters properly fleshed out before the script is written. I want characters with actual personalities, not rear ends to fill bridge seats.

I do not want another poor Mayweather.

A couple of minor observations from reading a lot of this:

1. I'm surprised at the revolt against serialization in Star Trek. I don't have any issue with Trek being more episodic...but what is the massive upset about serialization all about? Genuinely curious.

Some of it is because the writing hasn't really done a good job of it. To be fair very few space opera shows have done well when it comes to story arcs... Largely because the writers have no idea where it's going, but also the issue that a travelling ship makes it difficult to do long story arcs if there isn't something "special" about the leading ship.

Some of it though is down to pure nostalgia, which seems to be a huge driving force in Star Trek fandom. It's a problem because, well, it doesn't really reflect reality.

2. I can't believe that some fans are STILL holding out hope that you're going to see 1965 design aesthetics and sensibilities in this show....and what's more, lots of people are seemingly basing their acceptance of the show on this. Folks, I hate to ruin your weekend, but not only is it highly doubtful, it's also not really something that should seriously matter.

Again, nostalgia before reason. It is a real problem in this fandom.

Honestly I'm not even a fan of the costumes for the Enterprise crew. Anything that tries to give a different twist on an absurd bright 60's costume just looks like an expensive fanfilm. I just do not like the TOS aesthetic at all.

3. Seems odd that so many are resistant to the idea of more TOS characters showing up.

As someone else said, it stinks of "small universe". Plus I'm not a huge fan of fanservice and I feel the show should be able to stand on its own. I'd actually have been happy if SNW had been an entirely new crew on an entirely different Constitution class ship.

 

[Mudd]

All this "speculation" and hand-wringing over some random-**** website claiming that TOS characters are going to be in SNW is both pointless and premature.

So, you're confirming their appearance then...

 

[Mudd]

I'm all for Kirk being at least a semiregular.

 

[Ronald Held]

Episodic is more satisfying, as serialized long arcs tend to be longer than needed and each show dribbles out information.

 

[Turtletrekker]

In case the writers are reading this (and they won't be),

I wouldn't be so certain. She hasn't posted in ages, but Kirsten Beyer is a member of the BBS and used to post here occasionally in the Trek Lit forum.

 

[Vger23]

I just do not like the TOS aesthetic at all.

Sorry son, that's where you lost me.

 

[Vger23]

Episodic is more satisfying, as serialized long arcs tend to be longer than needed and each show dribbles out information.

I don't think that's true. If it were, how do you explain the overwhelming popularity of serialized television seasons?

 

[Ronald Held]

I don't think that's true. If it were, how do you explain the overwhelming popularity of serialized television seasons?

Cannot speak to why current viewers like serialization. I don't care for it.