Star Trek: Strange New Worlds. Confirmed.

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  1. JD

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    According to comments from Akiva Goldsman made in an interview with Variety, SNW will not be as serialized as Discovery and Picard.
     
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  2. Vger23

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    A couple of minor observations from reading a lot of this:

    1. I'm surprised at the revolt against serialization in Star Trek. I don't have any issue with Trek being more episodic...but what is the massive upset about serialization all about? Genuinely curious.

    2. I can't believe that some fans are STILL holding out hope that you're going to see 1965 design aesthetics and sensibilities in this show....and what's more, lots of people are seemingly basing their acceptance of the show on this. Folks, I hate to ruin your weekend, but not only is it highly doubtful, it's also not really something that should seriously matter.

    3. Seems odd that so many are resistant to the idea of more TOS characters showing up.
     
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  3. Lord Garth

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    I'm not. I've kept tabs. I've been aware of this since Day One of Discovery (actually technically since DS9, but I'll stick to current times). As soon as they heard SNW was going to be episodic, they came out of the woodwork.
     
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  4. NCC-73515

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    Some of the original crew could have transitioned before the show
     
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  5. Lord Garth

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    Shit. I never really watched Futurama. I hit closer to the mark than I thought!
     
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  6. Vger23

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    Perhaps you're right.....but what's the objection? I guess I just don't understand the overwhelming opposition.
     
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  7. Nyotarules

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    Episodic TV - easier to follow? I don't mind watching either format

    I wonder if TMP was a shock to the system in 1979 - uniform changed, Klingons changed, Enterprise changed, crew not together. The more fans change, the more they stay the same.

    For me it smacks of small universe syndrome. The UFP is a trillion population state, Starfleet must have millions of staff defending and exploring on behalf of the UFP, the galaxy is huge and yet the same people need to turn up on Pike's Enterprise? Why? The franchise can handle new characters, it did so with TNG, DS9 and VOY etc
     
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  8. CorporalClegg

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    I was thinking something along those lines.

    There's been a running "joke" for a few weeks now along the lines of "They'll probably cast Uhura as a man." Of course, it's been to be taken as a snide joke about gender-swapping recastings and you can insert anyone there. But my thought is why not?

    I think showing the process of what transitioning in the 23rd century might be like would be a very 'Star Trek' thing to do.
     
  9. Ryan Thomas Riddle

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    I'll address 1 and 3 for myself.

    1. I've no problem with serialization or longer-form story arcs. However, they're seldom done well and stretch thin stories out over 10-13 episodes with lots of soap opera melodrama in between and more plot twists than a parody of an M. Night Shyamalan movie. Also, the current production team just can't seem to do them well. Finally, I'm sick of galaxy-extinction level events. Or billions of orc substitutes wiping out civilizations. Or Cthulhu synths with a tentacle to grind. Or [insert Thanos/Darkside/Evil God Allegory] wanting to exterminate all life. Huge universe burning stakes are boring now. Ho-hum. Give me something personal at stake.

    2. I'd rather the show find its own legs before becoming a cavalcade of TOS appearances.
     
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  10. CorporalClegg

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    Modern television is loaded with serialized arcs that are done very well - especially when it comes to VOD. Star Trek is the outlier.
     
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  11. Lord Garth

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    I've come around to this way of thinking. No particular reason.
     
  12. Vger23

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    I agree a lot with what you said regarding constant big stakes. I don't think serialization inherently demands that though.

    "Soap Opera melodrama" is all in the eyes of the beholder. I don't mind character focus and big emotions in Star Trek. I loved the character throughlines in the TOS films and DS9 quite a bit, in fact.

    I do think that serialized stories tend to disappoint people with their endings, though. I've found that fan expectations get so high when they invest that kind of time that it's virtually a guarantee that everyone will think the conclusion sucks. I can't understand why most writing teams don't more carefully plan out their endings and the lead-up pacing more effectively.

    Regarding TOS characters, they're already using Spock, Pike and Una....I think the seal's already been broken. Might as well dive in and go at this point. Seemed to work pretty good for the Kelvin films.
     
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  13. Tim Thomason

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    It turns out that Ash Tyler had an identical twin, who was serving on the Enterprise. Pike didn't mention it because it was awkward.

    Someone give Latif a shave and a blonde wig.
     
  14. Ar-Pharazon

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    Seasons being much shorter now, hopefully they don't even go 1 year per season. But you're right, you don't know how long any series goes nowadays.
     
  15. mdtauk

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    What has been missing from the two recent Trek series IMO, is the lack of variety in the stories and storytelling.

    One story, told over multiple episodes, where that story has not been as interesting as it could have been.

    In Berman era Trek, there were stand out episodes either conceptually, structurally, or visually. And some of those stories would grab you and linger in your memory.

    With serialised Trek you may get one or two stand out moments, but could you remember which episode it was from?
     
  16. Ryan Thomas Riddle

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    Let me follow up on my comment on "soap opera melodrama", which I fully think the new production team leans heavily toward when it comes to character development. For example, Burnham and Saru. They start out as rivals but they don't interact all that much as people and only in the midsts of crisis. Then in the episode where Saru is "dying," Burnham is all weepy and saying he's her family. Um... since when? The show has done none of the groundwork to earn that emotional beat.

    Let's contrast that with O'Brien and Bashir. The Chief hated... hated Julian. Hate-ted. But the show laid the groundwork for their eventually bromance. Having the characters interacting with one another and being forced to work with each other on several occasions. So when there were emotional moments, it felt earned.



    As for the seal... well sure. For me, however, I don't need a connect the dots to Kirk's crew. In a military even a quasi one, crews rotate all the time. So no need to have them all on the ship at the same time. But that's me. YMMV.
     
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  17. Jadeb

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    I don’t dislike serialization, in theory, but I don’t care for the formula streaming Trek has adopted. And it really does feel like formula, with all three seasons building to absurd stakes that we know won’t come to pass, only to have the catastrophe averted abruptly (and not very satisfactorily) in the finale. The streaming shows have unprecedented storytelling freedom, yet they already feel repetitive. Only three seasons in, that’s not good. I don’t want more of that.

    I haven’t watched TNG in ages (and am more of a TOS fan), but I threw on Tapestry the other night. I was impressed at how sharp and quick it was. The four-act structure forced a discipline on the writing. I don’t necessarily want to go back to that, but I do think the current shows would benefit from structure other than “fill time until we hand wave Armageddon at the end.”
     
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    I don't usually pay attention to those sort of videos on Youtube (down that path can lie madness and frustration), but that one was spot on regarding DSC's lack of character development.
     
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  19. fireproof78

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    I'm sure I'm the outlier but generally yes.

    I see the point many are making for episodic style stories. But, I had my fill of that. If a balanced approach can be made with character continuity with episodic stories then ok. But, even though i don't agree with how all the finales have resolved so far Discovery's approach still appeals.
     
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  20. Turtletrekker

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    We saw two members of the House of Kor on Discovery, it would be nice to meet the man himself on Strange New Worlds. It's a shame they probably wouldn't be able to get Kenneth Mitchell to play him.
     
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