Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Vox"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Commander Richard, Apr 12, 2023.

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Engage!

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  1. trek.

    trek. Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    "I hope we die quickly" :guffaw:

    The expected nerdgasm has occured seeing the Ent-D powered back up with Majel's computer voice. Such nostalgia. I'll have to watch the ep again in short order when it's not so late.
     
  2. Tiberius Jim

    Tiberius Jim Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I absolutely love that the saucer still showed the signs of being "hot dropped" on the surface of Veridian III. They could have easily shown it looking 100% pristine but Geordi had clearly put off the pressure washing for another day.
     
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  3. firehawk12

    firehawk12 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    To me at least, SNW did their references and integrations in such a more thoughtful and interesting way.

    And it's weird because I'm definitely more of a TNG fan than a TOS fan, so this season should work on me more than SNW S1, but I vastly enjoyed SNW more.
     
  4. Anduinel

    Anduinel Captain Captain

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    That would be my guess - when they're talking about The Borg, they mean original flavor Borg, not Queen Agnes and her crew.
     
  5. Yistaan

    Yistaan Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Same. It's as bad as I thought when I first heard rumors this big bad was going to be a Borg thing and I was hoping it wasn't--this episode literally confirmed my fears. This episode put someone I was watching with just now more or less off Trek despite her liking the older TOS episodes. Here it's all grimdark horror story violence. She pointed out this was even worse than the Mandalorian, which is saying a lot.

    And even me, a long time Trekkie for all of Trek's incarnations (except Lower Decks) can't help seeing plotholes big enough to fly a starship through. So Locutus had extra special DNA to control other drones? Funny because that might've been really useful for Picard to have to control Borg he was fighting in practically every encounter with them after BOBW, particularly First Contact. Ok so it was a seed? How the hell did the Borg know that Locutus would escape and more importantly how could they have predicted him reproducing? The Borg knew everything Picard knew, which as of the time of his assimilation was an old guy married to his job with literally no realistic romantic/family prospects. That's also assuming Picard would never use even 21st century level birth control here. This plan falls apart unless the Borg literally know the future.

    The "catch" that only younger than 25 year old human (or human equivalent apparently) can be assimilated by this DNA is so nonsensical I don't even know where to begin. I guess the Borg line up their battle plans with real world tv show revivals.

    So Locutus is so extra special that only he got this DNA, even though it makes more sense to put this special DNA into younger drones who escape like B'elanna, Seven, etc. (And remember there's like a whole community of ex-Borg out there so the Borg should've put this DNA in all of them because the chances of them reproducing was a hell of a lot higher than Picard's). Oh wait what? This DNA can actually be just implanted onto people via transport? I thought Picard's DNA was the controller signal? But now putting it into transporter victims suddenly makes them the receiver signal? This "logic" is all falling apart. So actually the Borg could've just infiltrated Starfleet and beamed their special DNA into everyone decades ago. Why didn't they? Even M'Benga was reprogramming transporters way back when. How lucky for them that Section 31 conveniently made a bunch of super-changelings that are better at evading detection that JUST SO happen to also decide to team up with the Borg and help by impersonating transporter operators. The amount of contrived incidents keep piling on.

    I guess Vadic's boss is irrelevant even though he must be a Borg who apparently doesn't act or talk like any Borg before or since, including the Borg seen in this episode.

    Shelby's death is the sort of "dying like a punk" scene that Sam Jackson insisted be avoided for Mace Windu over at that other star franchise.

    Let's not even get into the absurdity of a ship that's meant to be crewed by hundreds being crewed by a total of 7, all on the bridge, into combat against a Borg armada. Even Scotty noted when the 1701, crewed by a handful in Search for Spock, met just one Klingon ship and was like "I didn't think I'd be taking her into combat, you know!"

    I feel sorry for all the new Trek actors who signed up for Picard thinking this was going to lead to a future of continuing spinoffs etc. Isa Briones and Evan Evagora are extraordinarily lucky their characters survived what can only be described as the "Picard show new character bloodbath". I'd say Michelle Hurd too but there's still one episode left.
     
  6. gweeps

    gweeps Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Then don't give it a 10. The episode isn't perfect.

    Do people not understand ratings? Guess it's an emotional thing. A little critical thinking never hurt though.
     
  7. Lord Garth

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    Not that it changes my enjoyment of Picard any, but...
    This is why, overall, I still like Discovery better than Picard.

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    Having said that, it still doesn't take away from seeing the Enterprise-D again. I've only ever known TOS to be an old show, before my time. So whenever we saw the original Enterprise again (whenever we did), it never had the same effect on me as seeing the Enterprise-D again does. Something I didn't ever quite realize until now. Since I actually do remember when TNG was a new show airing new episodes.
     
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  8. Lord Exor

    Lord Exor Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    YESSSSS! They finally made the Borg Queen indulge in a maniacal laugh. I've waited 27 years for that. And if there's still any lingering doubt that there's only one Borg Queen ruling the Borg, this should put the final nail in that belabored coffin.
     
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  9. DaveyNY

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    There must have been a multitude of Borg ships associated with the VOYAGER Queen scattered all over the Delta Quadrant when Janeway blew up the transwarp hub.
    One could assume they eventually regathered and formed a separate collective from the one Jurarti took over.
     
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  10. Precious Tritium

    Precious Tritium Commander Red Shirt

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    Absolute Nonsense. Fanfiction-level shit. It's also the most I've enjoyed this season up until now.

    I've really leaned into the plot making no sense, and I'm just here for the vibes now, which are exquisite.

    Are the Changelings even gonna be in the finale? Are they gonna be quietly forgotten about? Can a crew of seven people, most of whom haven't even been in Starfleet in a long time actually make a Galaxy-class starship work? I don't think it really matters anymore either way. This is top-shelf "turn off your brain" entertainment.
     
  11. ToddCam

    ToddCam Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I probably shouldn't be a voice of negativity, but I disliked this episode. The culmination of the Jack storyline was... meh. It made Deanna Troi look terrible. And it just being the Borg... ZZZZZ. I know it's pretty near impossible to meet expectations, but I think the mystery being dragged out for so long really chilled any kind of reaction I could have.

    Everyone over 25 who serves on a starship is dead now? Let's hope all the DS9, Voyager, Lower Decks, and Prodigy alumni were planetside.

    Bringing back Shelby just to kill her off, if that's what happened... I know they did it with Ro, but it didn't feel cheap to me like this did. At least we got the CANONized first name.

    I didn't care all that much for Shaw at the beginning, but now I feel disappointment that he was also killed off.

    Some of the Enterprise-D stuff was all right (mostly seeing the ship itself and Majel Barret's voice), but I felt mostly boredom looking at the bridge set. It was nice looking, I guess.
     
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  12. firehawk12

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    The way it's phrased is just odd. lol

    I assume Raffi and Seven are set up to have an happy ending, and that they somehow saved Shaw. The episode explicitly did not show what happened to them. lol
     
  13. Macintosh

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    "Oh yes. She'll fly."

    I am crying right now. Literal actual tears. Ugly crying. I'm not a particular fan of the Galaxy-class design but my god I don't think I've seen anything quite so beautiful. That fanfare as the Enterprise-D set sail one more time... :luvlove:
     
  14. tomalak301

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    But the ending kind of overshadowed the rest of the episode for me in a good way.
     
  15. DaveyNY

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    Captain Shaw took a direct phaser hit to the chest.
    I'm thinking he's probably not going to get to sickbay in time to save him with the TITAN being overrun with Borg.
     
  16. Racefuel

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    The Borg giving off some major HR Giger vibes tho
     
  17. tenmei

    tenmei Commodore Commodore

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    Does the F get destroyed?
     
  18. Visitor1982

    Visitor1982 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I giggled when Seven of Nine said: 'The machine is right' or something about Data. I wish Dr. Pulaski would have been there to say it.
     
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  19. Tiberius Jim

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    Looks like it becomes a part of the assimilated armada.
     
  20. iamzod

    iamzod Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    "That weired shit on the Stargazer? The real Borg are still out there"

    Jurati is a weired offshoot collective/co-operative started in the med 21st Century, i wouldn't consider them "Borg" the actual Borg are still out there and I imagine if they ever meet there will be fisticuffs. They pre-date Jurati by several hundred years as the Vaadwaur encountered them in the 1400's.