Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 5x05 - "Mirrors"

[Blackout]

Interesting to note that the DSC/SNW Enterprise continues to be used specifically in place of the Pike-era design.

Some may forget that the ISS Enterprise in TOS Mirror Mirror was also represented by an earlier Enterprise design from The Cage with the spiked bussards and the chonky dome (I think TOS-R made that more consistent). In the mirror universe, it never seemed to receive the refit that the Prime Enterprise received between Pike and Kirk.

And here in this episode, the Pike-era ship continues to serve as the design of the Mirror Enterprise. Except of course now it's the SNW version.

This fits well into the existing assumption that only the Pike-era Enterprise got retconned, and that both this revised 2250s design and the original 2260s design still coexist in Prime canon as indicated by the Picard series.

Pretty neat that the prime universe now has (a version of) the og enterprise preserved.

 

[fireproof78]

The rest of this episode... Not the one with the Guardian of Forever in it.

My question remains.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Some may forget that the ISS Enterprise in TOS Mirror Mirror was represented by the earlier The Cage Enterprise design with the spiked bussards and the chonky dome (TOS-R made that more consistent). In the mirror universe, it never seemed to receive the refit that the Prime Enterprise received between Pike and Kirk.

Never noticed that.

 

[Lord Garth]

Interesting that the DSC/SNW Enterprise continues to be used specifically in place of the Pike-era design.

At the end of the day this is a television production on a budget. Have to go with the standing sets. Thus it's the SNW Enterprise.

It's the same reason why Sloan's Section 31 ship was an Intrepid Class on DS9. Had to go with the standing sets available. CGI may change, budgets may change, but the reality of having to shoot on pre-existing physical locations never does.

 

[AlanC9]

A bit late in the game to complain about captains on risky away missions.

About 58 years late, right?

 

[cooleddie74]

60 if we count "The Cage."

 

[Blackout]

At the end of the day this is a television production on a budget. Have to go with the standing sets. Thus it's the SNW Enterprise.

That's certainly the real-world motivation, indeed. But it's fun to consider how it fits into the history of the ship in fiction as well.

 

[SirRocko711]

What happened to the third biosign that was in sickbay?

The liquid in the vial was blue like a sick Changeling. I think it's the third lifesign, even if Changeling is a longshot.

 

[fireproof78]

60 if we count "The Cage."

We better. One of the best episodes.

 

[Mr Awe]

We better. One of the best episodes.

You're darn tootin'!

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I hope Neil Breen makes an appearance in the finale.

 

[Fateor]

My question remains.

The writers get maligned because the problems with the episodes are almost all purposeful choices made by said writers.

The writers choose to destroy Mol and Lok's ship.

The writers choose to have the ISS Enterprise still magically have power 800 years after it stranded.

The writers choose to have Burnham say there were no escape pods or small craft left on the ISS Enterprise.

Then the writers choose to hand Mol and Lok a 23rd century Terran Warp pod that was somehow capable of out running literally every ship in the 32nd century Federation fleet.

Do you know what good writing would have been?

Have the Discovery two arrive to see Mol and Lok's ship partially embedded in the hull of the ISS Enterprise acting as an outside generator. That locks out Mol and Lok's ship because you can just say they can't "quick release". So you get the same exact story, with the only difference being the end of scene is Michael on the bridge of the ISS Enterprise as the ships power goes out and we see Mol and Lok's ship pull itself free and escape.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

The writers get maligned because the problems with the episodes are almost all purposeful choices made by said writers.

The writers choose to destroy Mol and Lok's ship.

The writers choose to have the ISS Enterprise still magically have power 800 years after it stranded.

The writers choose to have Burnham say there were no escape pods or small craft left on the ISS Enterprise.

Then the writers choose to hand Mol and Lok a 23rd century Terran Warp pod that was somehow capable of out running literally every ship in the 32nd century Federation fleet.

Do you know what good writing would have been?

Have the Discovery two arrive to see Mol and Lok's ship partially embedded in the hull of the ISS Enterprise acting as an outside generator. That locks out Mol and Lok's ship because you can just say they can't "quick release". So you get the same exact story, with the only difference being the end of scene is Michael on the bridge of the ISS Enterprise as the ships power goes out and we see Mol and Lok's ship pull itself free and escape.

I'm sure if they had done that, you would still have a problem with it.

 

[Lord Garth]

Michael definitely says "It's a Terran warp pod". I'd guess that being Terrans, they would have more ways to escape a ship than our universe.
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Looking at this shot right now. Thanks!

SNW version or TOS version, it doesn't matter, that's no Enterprise shuttle pod. I knew I wasn't remembering wrong. They only say it's Terran. But "Terran" doesn't automatically mean "23rd Century". There's something more.

Anyway, I can only go by the movie, I don't know what happened IRL, but Bonnie & Clyde, at least in the movie, kept switching the cars they stole out of necessity. If Moll and L'ak are like them, then they would've been able to do some crazy type of modification to a shuttle pod (their equivalent of a car) no matter where or when it was from. They're cunning and resourceful.

 

[Tosk]

26 or so years being told they had to live in a frigid environment on Breen and required a life support helmet?

But not really. Weyoun in Strange Bedfellows...

"I'm sure you've read the intelligence reports that say that their homeworld is a frozen wasteland. Well, it's not. The climate on their planet is quite comfortable."

 

[Farscape One]

Looking at this shot right now. Thanks!

SNW version or TOS version, it doesn't matter, that's no Enterprise shuttle pod. I knew I wasn't remembering wrong. They only say it's Terran. But "Terran" doesn't automatically mean "23rd Century". There's something more.

Anyway, I can only go by the movie, I don't know what happened IRL, but Bonnie & Clyde, at least in the movie, kept switching the cars they stole out of necessity. If Moll and L'ak are like them, then they would've been able to do some crazy type of modification to a shuttle pod (their equivalent of a car) no matter where or when it was from. They're cunning and resourceful.

Considering the I.S.S. Enterprise was from the 23rd century, and the warp pod was said to be 'Terran', it seems clear that it is also 23rd century.

Which is another issue... Burnham said all escape pods and shuttles were gone. Where did this Terran warp pod come from?

 

[F. King Daniel]

I'm no continuity hound. But holo-emitters on a 23rd century ship and we finally find out what the breen look like and they look exactly like humans? Questionable choices.

The holo emitters were explicitly part of the Enterprise in Discovery season 2, and caused the massive breakdown at the very start of the season. They were removed, but presumably not in the mirror universe.

 

[Xerxes82]

I'm wondering if the Breen "two faces" thing may be going somewhere down the road. For whatever reason, the Breen seem to look down on their "solid" form (aka, how L'ak looks now) and prefer their energy/liquid/whatever-that-is form. L'ak's uncle claims they have "evolved past the need for that form."

Maybe they are related to changelings in some way. But even if not, this opens the door to the notion that the Breen are not, or at least aren't entirely, humanoid in the classic sense. And in a season that is dealing with a race that seeded the pattern for humanoid (or, I suppose, Progenitoroid) life that feels like it could be significant in some way.

I have no idea how that would work, or where you might go with it. But I can't shake the idea after having watched the episode.

 

[Jayson1]

Well, we know Kira in DS9 knew what they look like. She had to take a Breen uniform to get close to the Female Changeling's headquarters on Cardassia.

She closed her eyes when putting it on. She respected his privacy and didn't want to see a nude Breen.

 

[cooleddie74]

Take this with a grain of salt but this was posted on social media.