I have to say that I agree with this. They took away the ambiguity of the character's fate for what was, at best, a very mediocre episode.
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I have to say that I agree with this. They took away the ambiguity of the character's fate for what was, at best, a very mediocre episode.
Any ambiguity about Sisko's fate was removed by Lower Decks, and frankly I always thought the story was far more poignant if Sisko never returned, which was Ira Behr's intent.
Lower Decks is canonically closer to Nemesis, timeline-wise, than PIC or anything else, so not really a good analogy.
My head canon is that Cassidy hooked up with Jake, so I welcome the return of the Emissary, and all the Jerry Springer drama abound.
It really wasn't (IMO). All that Lower Decks established was:
Sisko was not on the station in 2381.
That he was not publicly known to be 'around' as of the same year.
In the episode where they were doing the job fair, Mariner said that Sisko was off in a Celestial Temple. "In a celestial temple" = "not returned".
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I'm not really sure how the placement in the timeline matters even in the slightest. Even then, it had been 6 years and he still hadn't returned yet.
Yes. That's why I said he was not publicly known to be around as of 2381.
And he was not known to have publicly returned by 3193. I'm not sure what the discrepancy is.
If you rightly consider that Sisko is his own mum, then he already returned before the show started.
I'm not arguing about whatever SFA said, I'm disagreeing with your post that said "Any ambiguity about Sisko's fate was removed by Lower Decks".
It seems really against Sisko's character to headcanon that he would abandon his duties, his principles and everything he believes in to secretly live off the grid and have everyone falsely believe he is in the celestial temple. And even harder to believe those blabbermouth Prophets could keep it secret too from everyone that encounters an Orb.
But you can headcanon it that way if you want to. It's about as stable as headcanoning that the Tasha Yar from Yesterday's Enterprise survived and secretly switched places with the other Tasha and so real Tasha is still alive out there somewhere. Or that the entirety of VOY is just a holodeck simulation in the EMH stress testing lab examining what it would be like if one had to operate as sole medical officer for years on end.
But you can headcanon it that way if you want to. It's about as stable as headcanoning that the Tasha Yar from Yesterday's Enterprise survived and secretly switched places with the other Tasha and so real Tasha is still alive out there somewhere. Or that the entirety of VOY is just a holodeck simulation in the EMH stress testing lab examining what it would be like if one had to operate as sole medical officer for years on end.
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10. Yeah, still think so. They really did an outstanding episode, here.
By the way, I don't see anything anywhere in canon preventing Sisko's return at literally any point in time. In "Accession," the Prophets even overwrote the past, and Kira, maybe even everybody, was aware that there were two histories for The Call of the Prophets.
Do I think they should do that? No. But there's still plenty of room for a 33rd century adventure. Just because Sisko (probably, maybe) hasn't come back yet doesn't mean he's not going to, ever.
10. Yeah, still think so. They really did an outstanding episode, here.
By the way, I don't see anything anywhere in canon preventing Sisko's return at literally any point in time. In "Accession," the Prophets even overwrote the past, and Kira, maybe even everybody, was aware that there were two histories for The Call of the Prophets.
Do I think they should do that? No. But there's still plenty of room for a 33rd century adventure. Just because Sisko (probably, maybe) hasn't come back yet doesn't mean he's not going to, ever.
LOWER DECKS certainly did not remove any ambiguity about Sisko's fate. It just showed he hasn't reappeared by 2381. That's only about 6 years later. Not even a blink of an eye in the Celestial Temple. He could have easily appeared years later. Or not.
The discrepancy is, not having reappeared by the end of LD doesn't he couldn't have ever re-appeared.
Exactly. By confirming without doubt that he never returned removes the ambiguity that I enjoyed from the final episode.
Not to mention that the episode itself is just badly written in nearly every way. I truly loathe it, almost as much as a regular Discovery episode.
I like the way you think!The way I see it, it's possible that Sisko returned 'soon' after the finale of DS9.
He just hasn't done it yet.
It's not linear.
I've never seen any ambiguity in What You Leave Behind, it is pretty straightforward that Sisko's physical body was destroyed and he was given a non corporeal form in the Celestial Temple. Dying in this sense was the penance he had to pay and being separated from his friends and family was the sorrow the Prophets promised would happen to him if me married Kasidy.
Just because Sisko wanted to return never meant he was in any position to do so, it was a promise he made out of hope but not one he had any power to keep. He can watch over everyone he cares about in the way Prophets do and Jake confirmed he very much did this.
Any perceived ambiguity in it just seems like wishful thinking to undo any sense of meaning in death and completely misses the point of it all. It is meant to be a tragedy, it is sacrifice.
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