Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x03 - "Ghosts of Illyria"

[cooleddie74]

There's another eugenics shitstorm that commences and coincides with other turmoil leading up to the nuclear exchange of 2053. Maybe Colonel Green's war since he seemed pretty dialed into purity and casting out the sick and injured after World War III.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It still ended in 1996. Paramount Plus gave that as a answer in a trivia on YouTube recently

Trivia about a TV show.

 

[Nerys Myk]

No it doesn't. Both remain in continuity. Continuity contradicts itself, Trek continuity frequently so.

As I'm too fond of saying, continuity is mutable.

 

[cooleddie74]

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[Mudd]

It still ended in 1996.

Nope.

That's not a "correct answer" on a history test. It was a TV trivia quiz.

Two Trek TV series in the last month have placed the Eugenics War in our future, and the producer of one has said that's deliberate and intentional.

Current Trek continuity is that it takes place in the 21st century.

 

[Mudd]

There's another eugenics shitstorm that commences and coincides with other turmoil leading up to the nuclear exchange of 2053.

Nope.

It's the Eugenics War and it's also World War III. Pike said so. And that both are one war was established in "Space Seed" itself.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I didn't say that.

Just that Pike's dialogue doesn't, in fact, establish any in-story fact about Number One for SNW to contradict. It's just a character saying a thing, which is different from laying down a plot point or the writer asserting something as an in-universe "fact."

What I'm saying is that what "The Cage" implies is distinct from and in this case broader than what Pike's dialog implies.

You'd said that "'The Cage' implies" something as if it didn't imply more as well, and that's what I was responding to. To say that "The Cage" implies something (or doesn't imply it), you have to take into account not only the text, but the subtext, the context, and so on.

As far was what Pike believes, of course what you say is true.

And as pointed out by another poster, Number One could still be covering up not being human when she says it's wrong to keep humans as slaves. It's consistent with the dialog that Number One isn't human. Absolutely.

 

[GNDN18]

There's another eugenics shitstorm that commences and coincides with other turmoil leading up to the nuclear exchange of 2053. Maybe Colonel Green's war since he seemed pretty dialed into purity and casting out the sick and injured after World War III.

 

[Tuskin38]

Two Trek TV series in the last month have placed the Eugenics War in our future

Only SNW has said that definitively.

PIC was vague about it. There were dates on the file folder that lined up with the years the original Eugenics Wars took place.

 

[Sparky]

Thanks for asking, Sparky.

I feel unfairly maligned here...

 

[Turtletrekker]

I feel unfairly maligned here...

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[NCC-73515]

Nope.

That's not a "correct answer" on a history test. It was a TV trivia quiz.

Two Trek TV series in the last month have placed the Eugenics War in our future, and the producer of one has said that's deliberate and intentional.

Current Trek continuity is that it takes place in the 21st century.

canonical source please

Only the small parts it retcons, not the entire episode of 'The Cage'.

Anything 'The Menagerie' doesn't retcon is still in continuity.

Both episodes are in TOS continuity, but The Menagerie retcons a part of 'The Cage'.

there ya go

 

[Tuskin38]

canonical source please

Episode 1 of this series. Pike said the instability in the United States came before the Eugenics wars. Showing footage from the Capitol insurrection that happened in the 21st century.

 

[Mudd]

canonical source please

Episode one of SNW. Episode 10 of the second year of Picard.

Next.

 

[Tuskin38]

Episode 10 of the second year of Picard.

Debatable.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Nope.

It's the Eugenics War and it's also World War III. Pike said so. And that both are one war was established in "Space Seed" itself.

From Ep1: "...we called it the second Civil War, then the Eugenics War and finally, just World War III"

Sounds to me like Pike is describing three separate wars. Otherwise it seems strange to keep renaming a war unless it went on for a really long time.

 

[DEWLine]

Each one blending into the next.
You can make a case for the US civil rights struggles from the 1960's onwards being a "second Civil War" writ quietly...depending on your point of view.

 

[Mudd]

Debatable.

Not realistically or sensibly, no. "Debatable" in the sense of "how many tetryon particles does it take to fill a cargo bay?" perhaps. And I know that some Trekkies like to do just that.

From Ep1: "...we called it the second Civil War, then the Eugenics War and finally, just World War III"

Sounds to me like Pike is describing three separate wars.

That quote directly contradicts your assertion. "It" is a singular thing, not a plural or series or group. "It" indicates something considered a single war, and nothing else.

More importantly, it requires a metric fuckton of tetryon particles to fill the cargo bay of the original configuration of the Constitution class cargo bay, as designed.

You know, it's beyond absurd that anyone even wants to defend the bullshit notion that there was a Eugenics War in the 1990s that ended with a bunch of Hitlers shooting themselves into outer space to avoid justice. Thankfully, TPTB are trying to lay that one to rest.

 

[Tuskin38]

Not realistically or sensibly, no.

There's evidence in the Picard episode supporting the Eugenics wars having happened in the 90s.

 

[Jack Wolfe]

There's evidence in the Picard episode supporting the Eugenics wars having happened in the 90s.

A paper file that contained the final report on a project that ended in 1996, not a report on a war. Those are very different things, though I'm sure you'll handwave it all away.