Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x03 - "Ghosts of Illyria"

Or both.

Pike, of course, would never tell anyone that Una is Illyrian. And she's obviously been able to fool all kinds of medical and sensor scans over the years, so as to pass as human.

So if Pike doesn't tell anyone, no one - including O'Brien - will ever know.

 

Both are fully canon.

 

No, the entire episode is now. It’s included on all home releases, streaming and airs on TV in syndication in places that still do that.

 

O’Brien did know (maybe) that was the point of the image that was being quoted.

SNW is almost 100 years before DS9. O’Brien says it’s been almost 100 years since an incident involving an augment in starfleet.

It wasn’t a nitpick about an error, it was an observation that it lines up.

 

In 1964, Roddenberry was planning to throw us a twist that on an Earth ship + Spock, Number One was also an extraterrestrial? Nah.

Pike was given two additional Earth women to consider because he had rejected the first. That was as deep as "The Cage" went.

That doesn't mean that they can't add layers to that today.

 

read again

 

True, the footage of Vina and a simulated illusion Pike going off together is repurposed to be illusion versions of both of them that their consciousnesses are connected to going off together....

But how do we know that Vina didn't have an illusion Pike to be with between the events of "The Cage" and his return in "The Menagerie"?

The point is, there's no contradiction between assuming that "The Cage" ends the way it did originally, and then "The Menagerie" comes along later and gives Vina the real Pike.

 

Does @Jayson1 know?

 

Both episodes are in TOS continuity, but The Menagerie retcons a part of 'The Cage'.

Did the previously on segment of 'If Memory Serves' in DSC Season 2 use any footage from 'The Cage' that wasn't in 'The Menagerie'?

 

They're both canon, but the Menagerie version is currently continuity.

 

They're both in continuity. 'The Menagerie' just retcons part of 'The Cage'.

 

That in effect removes those parts from continuity.

 

Only the small parts it retcons, not the entire episode of 'The Cage'.

Anything 'The Menagerie' doesn't retcon is still in continuity.

 

Exactly what I was saying.

 

I didn't say that.

Just that Pike's dialogue doesn't, in fact, establish any in-story fact about Number One for SNW to contradict. It's just a character saying a thing, which is different from laying down a plot point or the writer asserting something as an in-universe "fact."

 

Ah sorry.

 

No it doesn't. Both remain in continuity. Continuity contradicts itself, Trek continuity frequently so.

 

The Eugenics Wars: "200 years ago..." in DS9.
The Eugenics Wars: 1990s. TOS, TWOK, ENT, PIC.

Yep.

 

In PIC, the Eugenics Wars take place sometime after 2024.

 

It still ended in 1996. Paramount Plus gave that as a answer in a trivia on YouTube recently