Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[The Wormhole]

Dialogue in ST6 implies there is a dedicated military branch of starfleet

Hell, one of the officers at the briefing at that start of that movie actually thinks making peace with the Klingons means Starfleet will be disbanded until someone else points out "science and exploration is still a thing we do."

 

[Quinton]

Hell, one of the officers at the briefing at that start of that movie actually thinks making peace with the Klingons means Starfleet will be disbanded until someone else points out "science and exploration is still a thing we do."

“Mothballing the Star Fleet” (including the two-word pronunciation approach) will forever be one of the oddest lines in the franchise to me, haha. I get what they’re going for, and it is immediately refuted, but the sheer mental vision of such a Federation decision is so damn funny.

 

[Mudd]

That dies seem to be a popular Go To in this Argument, but it makes absolutely no sense at all. If defense really were "secondary" or even if Starfleet personnel considered it so, then whenever the Federation is attacked we'd have situations where Starfleet would go "No, not dealing with that today. Today we're exploring. We'll deal with the Borg invasion if there's time later on."

The creators retconned Starfleet into being non-military based on the primary mission of Kirk's Enterprise being exploratory for a five-year period. Since the supposed format of the series and movies revolved around that ship, they could get away with it.

 

[Jayson1]

That does seem to be a popular Go To in this Argument, but it makes absolutely no sense at all. If defense really were "secondary" or even if Starfleet personnel considered it so, then whenever the Federation is attacked we'd have situations where Starfleet would go "No, not dealing with that today. Today we're exploring. We'll deal with the Borg invasion if there's time later on."

I think maybe Starfleet Security is suppose to focus on the military aspects. While other departments focus on the exploration and science. Then you got the ambassadors and politicians that focus on creating colonies, trade deals etc. The Captain is then suppose to sort of wear multiple hats where he or she is sometimes a Solider when they need to be and a explorer when they need to be.

 

[Yistaan]

I think maybe Starfleet Security is suppose to focus on the military aspects. While other departments focus on the exploration and science. Then you got the ambassadors and politicians that focus on creating colonies, trade deals etc. The Captain is then suppose to sort of wear multiple hats where he or she is sometimes a Solider when they need to be and a explorer when they need to be.

Yeah Balthazar Edison wasn't happy with the non soldier hats

 

[Tuskin38]

I think this intro from the Birth of the Federation game basically describes the federation and starfleet well

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[Noname Given]

Hell, one of the officers at the briefing at that start of that movie actually thinks making peace with the Klingons means Starfleet will be disbanded until someone else points out "science and exploration is still a thing we do."

And they seem to forget OTHER enemies (Romulans et al.) still exist and pose a threat.

 

[mswood]

Luminate has released ratings that include the first week of Season 3 episode with
Strange New World being 10th and with 249.2 million minutes watched.

Note Luminate does its ratings in a different manner than Nielsen and can have wildly different results (In some cases significantly higher some significantly lower). One difference is Luminate only bunches ratings by season, not by series. Nielsen groups its streaming ratings by full series. But even with those limitations the numbers can be wildly different (as you can see series that are only one season have wildly different results) between the two companies.

As Luminate has only been releasing information for right over two years. Discovery's final season and Section 31 are the only Trek related programming that would have been possible to Track. Both tracked higher on Nielsen's reports. In fact discovery never Tracked and could have on 5 different weeks with ratings ranging from 151 to 181 million minutes. Those weeks include all but one of the weeks it Tracked on Nielsen with between 80, to a 100 million more views per Nielsen's charts.

So don't think you can compare apples to apples between the two companies.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

The Borg suck and don't need to ever appear again.

They were great as a mystery threat in "Q Who", and have never felt that sinister ever since, even in the generally overrated "Best of Both Worlds".

It’s not so much ‘omission’ as it is ‘actor’s interests bleeding into the character.’ Like when Picard suddenly had an interest of driving fast and dangerous jeeps when he showed zero interest in that in over ten years that we got to know his character, because Stewart likes driving fast cars. I guess archaeology (which the character was very much into) got boring.

Exactly. At least horses still exist in that century on Earth--as opposed to dune buggies in the 24th century. That was patently absurd (but Stewart was going to get his way, no matter how the idea was out of place in Star Trek), and just one that film's numerous problems.

 

[eschaton]

They were great as a mystery threat in "Q Who", and have never felt that sinister ever since, even in the generally overrated "Best of Both Worlds".

Disagree. They were genuinely great and terrifying in the ENT episode Regeneration.

It's shocking how much that episode got right, considering most of the other times ENT focused on memberberries from the TNG era it was just awful.