Okay, I did the stupid thing, and try to argue with facts. Against people who are clearly not interested in facts. This was a quote from July by me: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/the-new-uss-discovery.286143/page-57 (Read there to se the rest of how my argument remained the same). This is a quote from this thread: You might recognize: IT'S THE SAME POSITION. Since July. Artwork, drawings, toys? Yes. FInished cgi-model? No. Nut until the premiere. Which is NOW. Which is the time we were getting it. That's what I said would happen. That's what happened. If you didn't understood me back then (even if purposefully), and didn't understand me now, I think it's more amazing how much YOUR straw-argument of "what I said" changed during that time.