You're really not getting at what I told you the whole time, right?
They hid the finalized, in-series ship. The whole time! That's would I told you they would do, that's what they did. Nothing more, nothing less.
Spoilers STD 1x03 Preview [and for the rest of the season]
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You're really not getting at what I told you the whole time, right?
They hid the finalized, in-series ship. The whole time! That's would I told you they would do, that's what they did. Nothing more, nothing less.
This looks really good, cannot wait!
Also: Yeah. Of course it's obvious NOW THAT IT HAS HAPPENED.
That's the thing with predictions: They WEREN'T obvious, because they didn't happen back then. I was harping on that point before all those trailers premiered. Now it's obvious. Because it has happened.
But yeah, EXACTLY THAT was my prediction I repeated over the half year. Nothing more, nothing less. And it turned out to be true, after all this time.
I'm not that interested in arguing the point anymore to be honest, so you can believe whatever you wish. But I have just gone and looked in the thread about Discovery's design, and I can see posts from May showing the ship plain as day. If you want to believe in some conspiracy to hide it because trailers largely cut from episodes where the Discovery does not appear did not have many shots of it, I clearly can't dissuade you. I'm just very surprised that here where we argued about the Akiraprise for months, nay years, on end, the thread about the Discovery design, on the day you say it first appeared, is way down the bottom of the page. You are, it seems, the only one surprised by the design of the ship shown in the 1.03 trailer.
You're not getting the point, are you? The day it was obvious what the final design would look like, was the day I said they were trying to "hide" that design from the mainstream by not including any in-series vfx-shots of it in the promotional material. Neither in trailers nor beauty-shots as photos. So that only the hardcore-nerd-fanbase, looking at concept art and toys, would know what the ship looks like. In the hope that everyone else sees the ship the first time as part of the premiere of the whole show.
That's it. That's the whole magical prediction. Which was IMO pretty obvious even back then, you guys didn't believe it, now HAS HAPPENED exacpty as I said, by the DETAILS. And now try to argue some imaginary point I said something completely different the whole time.
Now you are twisting our words. You are claiming it has been confirmed that they were hiding it because they didn't believe in the design. This, however, has not been confirmed in any way, shape or form. This part of your “prediction” is completely contrived and does only exist as “confirmed” in your head.
I made a very presice and specific prediction, based on the hypothesis they didn't believe the design to stand on ot's own.
That prediction came true, down to the specific minutia of it.
Now you are trying to argue both the details of my prediction (aka "what" I said they won't show), the timeframe ("until the premiere") and the intent. Even though what you try to put in my mouth doesn't make any sense ("hiding the ship until after the show airs"? WTF are you smoking?) And now you call it was "obvious", now that it has happened (Them not showing in-series vfx-shots of the ship untill after the premiere).
Of course the designers believed in the final design "enough" so that it will appear in the show - they HAVE to show something once it airs. But the predction was, they weren't comfortable enough with it to show it before airing, as part of the promotion material, like what they did previously with TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, the JJmovies, because they didn't believe in the design enough to carry it's own positive buzz. That was my prediction. That was what happened. That was what I stand by. And frankly, whatever you put up in your head that's different from that doesn't make a lick of sense, and I'm tired of talking about it. Because you clearly aren't interested in talking my point, but want to argue your own completely far-fetched strawman-argument of what I said.
We are literally quoting your point, and then you're telling us we are spinning or creating straw men.
There, you've stated your prediction, and bookended it as being your prediction. I can't spin that, or change it. That's the quote you said. It is clearly, and demonstrably, false. The ship has been on the promotional material since May. With the exception of the trailers, which were cut from the first two episodes largely, and designed to hide certain key plot points from the pilot, nearly all the promotional material has been graphic design based rather than the older approach used for the previous shows. There have been no cast group photos on a smoky bridge set, for example, which used to be expected not just before pilots but every season. The promotional artwork has focused around Burnham's face, the delta, the font logo, the LLAP hand gesture, and... the damn ship. It has appeared on nearly every major bit of artwork they've released. The only point to make here is that the promotional stuff has been very different from previous Trek series. Incidentally, even the trailers included glimpses of the finished Discovery. This one even includes the same rear warp away shot as in the new 1.03 trailer.
It's a new bar for hiding in plain sight, I'll give you that.
No, you're lying. Again.
You're making this:
disregarding this:
And this:
Into: "Ha! I saw a drawing of it once! And now that it has premiered they also showed the finished ship! All wrong again"
You proved my point, and then us that as an argument to disregard my point? That's almost an amazing disconnection from reality.
I made a very specific prediction: The first time we'll see specific, clear, in-series beauty-shot footage of the finished cgi-model of the ship will be after the premiere, because of lack of conficence in it alone.
Not that has happened. It is after the premiere, and they showed specifically that.
How are you going to turn that against itself?
"Yesterday you said tomorrow will be monday. Now it IS monday, so tomorrow can't possibly BE monday! Ha! You're wrong!" or what?
Not that has happened. It is after the premiere, and they showed specifically that.
How are you going to turn that against itself?
"Yesterday you said tomorrow will be monday. Now it IS monday, so tomorrow can't possibly BE monday! Ha! You're wrong!" or what?
I literally quoted the part where you spelled out your 'prediction'. I don't know how that's a lie, but I'm done arguing about it. You clearly want reality to be that the producers of the show, where everything is gone over by dozens of people and signed off, think their design for their hero ship is bad, so go ahead and think that. Quite how that makes any sense at all when they could have easily used the Shenzhou design if they preferred that (by your logic they must have done as they put that in all the trailers to generate buzz), but didn't, I don't know. But it obviously does to you.
That's a lie. Again. And you know it.
I spelled it out above. You don't even made the effort to read any of it, instead made new, unconnected assumptions about what I said ("lies").
Yep.
Jesus!
This was my prediction:
Very precise. Very specifc.
NOW it's after the premiere. Now is the first time we have full scale in-series shots of the ship.
That was the prediction. It came true. Right to the details. Finished.
Whatever you guys arguing is some strawman-shit if I have ever seen one!
This was my prediction:
Very precise. Very specifc.
NOW it's after the premiere. Now is the first time we have full scale in-series shots of the ship.
That was the prediction. It came true. Right to the details. Finished.
Whatever you guys arguing is some strawman-shit if I have ever seen one!
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