Spoilers STD 1x03 Preview [and for the rest of the season]
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I see what you mean, but they are there - look at the far side, rather than the near side, of the second ring in, and you can see space between them.
I think they're pulling a "Contagion" or a "The Jem'Hadar" where we see a sister ship to the hero ship get all blowed up to show the power of the enemy.
To be frank, I didn't start this whole shit here. I just replied, because certain people that where always making fun of said prediction, continued to do so, right up until after the fact it came undeniably, 100% true.
This whole sub-discussion started with a mockery of said prediction:
"Yesterday you said tomorrow will be monday. Now it IS monday, so tomorrow can't possibly BE monday! Ha! You're wrong!" (In this case: "Oh, and they're HIDING the ship"
)[[See: You said they would be hiding it up until after the prmiere. Now is after the premiere, and they're not hiding it anymore. Ha! You're wrong!]])I just pointed out that this was exactly what I said. Only to start a flamewar, of the same people suddenly deciding I never said that, or something completely different (like "they would never show the ship, even after airing" mixed with "also, they already showed concept art, so they clearly are not hiding the final CGI-model" WTF?) , and declare my position "wrong" and "lost".
They couldn't admit to be wrong. Which is humanly understandable. But why continue to make fun of the guy who was right, and push the whole thing in the spotlight again and hope to rewrite the whole conversation in retrospect?
Those gaps are darn small. There are actually quite a number of perspectives where you can't see them. One of the few things, where it shows the design was retrospectively altered. If they were planned to be included from the beginning, they probably would have been a little bit bigger and more visible.
Also: I'm not a big fan of blowing up the sister ship. Again. Only to be able to have a shocking shot for the trailer.
I'm not the guy constantly bringing it back.
I'm just commenting on the pathetic line of reasoning: "Oh, you were right. Now shut up about it. We are the only ones allowed to constantly remind people of it to make fun of it."
Here is the updated version of the shot from the trailers.
These finished shots have really made me love the look of the Discovery.
I'm not sure about how I find the blue nacelle lights. For me, they represented the TNG-era, and one of te lesser design aspects of it. I like the ENT-D, but the glow-y nacelles always reminded me more of christmas decoration than real technology. To be fair, ENT already used them, too. But JJ Abrams did away with them. Now they're back again.
Luckily they are very subtle here.
ENT kind of has an excuse, the warp coils are not covered up, they're exposed. While the TOS Enterprise has insulated engines.
Yeah. And it was clearly a carry-over from the Phoenix from First Contact.
I guess this is just one of the design elements that became integral to Star Trek after TOS (and the TOS movies) which I'm still not 100% sold on. I feel old
(Edit: Have to admit, though, it looks fine on the Discovery.)
Yeah. And it was clearly a carry-over from the Phoenix from First Contact.
I guess this is just one of the design elements that became integral to Star Trek after TOS (and the TOS movies) which I'm still not 100% sold on. I feel old
The TOS movies had glowly bits on nacelles too, though they didn't do the bright flash thing.
In my memory, the nacelles from the TOS-movies were white with complete pitch-black parts. THere were no translucent, glowy-parts. The black parts started to glow blue while ging to warp. But that wasn't a light effect, that was a visual effect painted over, together with the warp-stripes of the warp effect?
When at warp the inside face of the nacelles were blue (or purple depending on the movie). the outside stayed black.
I was misremembering.
Yeah, that's what I meant!
I really don't have anything against light effects when going to warp. I'm just not a big fan of giant, translucent, glowing tubes all over on the outside of the ship. Makes it look more like a toy, than a real starships.
Just my opinion though. And I loved the rotating christmas-lights at the front of the classic TOS Enterprise nacelles.
I guess I just never was a fan of the "red glowing bussard collector in front, blue glowing stripe on the side"-look of Berman-era warp nacelles. I prefer them closed, with only very small glowing parts being visible.
The Discovery does fine in this regard.
I'm fine with the Klingon war being a recurring arc this series but I hope we still get some more traditional "planet of week" episodes.
My main issue is the main lead, I do not like her badly written character and that trailer doesnt help much.
The tortured soul, the over-the-top-drama (like if loosing your parents as a child is not enough - now you must also think you are responsible for every war casualty), the antihero that tries to find redemption, in a ship full with other misfits? Oh the angst!
Is this the "Dirty 12 in Space? is she is something like Star Trek's Starbuck (BSG 2003)?
On the other hand this could always be a bad / misleading trailer. I hope
p.s. I think my timing of re-watching TNG, DS9 & STVOY series this summer was unfortunate. They are so fresh in my memory and the comparison is so against STD right now..
The tortured soul, the over-the-top-drama (like if loosing your parents as a child is not enough - now you must also think you are responsible for every war casualty), the antihero that tries to find redemption, in a ship full with other misfits? Oh the angst!
Is this the "Dirty 12 in Space? is she is something like Star Trek's Starbuck (BSG 2003)?
On the other hand this could always be a bad / misleading trailer. I hope
p.s. I think my timing of re-watching TNG, DS9 & STVOY series this summer was unfortunate. They are so fresh in my memory and the comparison is so against STD right now..
The trailer for what looks to be for what's coming up in the season has me hopeful, but very cautiously. The trailers before the premiere had some great moments, but those short moments turned out to be bracketed with a lot of needless dialogue in some places.
I'm holding out hope. I love all forms of Star Trek, but the first two episodes didn't really do a lot for me.
I'm holding out hope. I love all forms of Star Trek, but the first two episodes didn't really do a lot for me.
It's to get people to subscribe so that they can watch the rest of the season.
Kor
Ah! I see the argument now goes:
"Your prediction is clearly wrong"
-> prediction comes true
"You obviously were predicting something different"
-> proving it was correct
"Haha, you're wasting your time arguing stuff here!"
That's a moving of the goal posts if I ever saw one.
As if you weren't using your spare time to discuss new Trek either
I love the moving goal post fallacy. I see people do it all the time.
But your logic is flawed too in calling it out, because it's based on the assumption that you've correctly predicted and proved your assertions, which you haven't. You predicted nothing and proved nothing.
"Predicted nothing" -> "They're not going to show us the CGI-model until the premiere" (-me, ca. june/july)
"Proved nothing" -> They first showed us the design this sunday. AFTER the premiere.
I can see where you got your false opinion from, because this "prediction" (really, more spelling out the obvious, based on the negative reaction of the ugly cgi-model at the time, which still didn't stop people from laughing at it) wasn't made in this specific thread, but a while ago.
But hey. There were also people claiming the new Trek series will definitely be in the Kelvin timeline! Those guys are still around. Apparently it's really stupid hard for some people to admit they weren't right in the first place.
Like you.
Despite there really being no negative consequences here. Apart from a little scratch to the ego. I really don't know why. And why you need to constantly come back to this point, since this stuff is, you know, settled. As in, it has happened, as predicted, and there's not much you can do short of holding eyes and ears and pretend every discussion before this very one here has never happened. But if that's still your choice? Who am I to stop you...
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