The New USS Discovery....
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After the SDCC trailer I'm convinced that the Discovery will surprise us. The trailer's quick shot of the ship was static and barely moved before the warp effect; IMO it was pretty hastily done for the trailer because they haven't yet gotten around to doing the VFX of the episodes she's in. As such, compared to the completed VFX shots of the Shenzhou, Discovery has yet to full spread her wings in completed material.
And as unlikely as it seems now, it's still possible that they can bait and switch us out a completely new ship for Discovery, and this whole thing has been a massive deception. We haven't seen any shots of the Discovery sets yet (aside from MAYBE a lab or sickbay or something), and certainly nothing showing an actual diagram of the Discovery in the background of a finished shot. While I"ve grown to like what we've got, I think there's some latitude for us to be blown away.
Mark
And as unlikely as it seems now, it's still possible that they can bait and switch us out a completely new ship for Discovery, and this whole thing has been a massive deception. We haven't seen any shots of the Discovery sets yet (aside from MAYBE a lab or sickbay or something), and certainly nothing showing an actual diagram of the Discovery in the background of a finished shot. While I"ve grown to like what we've got, I think there's some latitude for us to be blown away.
Mark
Jesus, I hope so.
That one shot of the Discovery in the trailer was probably the ugliest single part of the whole trailer... and there were a whole lot of unwashed klingons in it.
Reflecting the current US administration?
Ha-ha....
Whelp, I think I will resign myself to the position of Klingon apologist. There's a role I never thought I would ever take on.
See, that's the kicker to me. The ONE shot they put in of Discovery, and they do what looks to me as a *really* unflattering angle. That, and the renders and such we've seen so far, especially compared to the Shenzhou, just seem to... Unfinished to me. Like I said, I think we're in for SOME sort of surprise when our first look a her really comes around.
Mark
I see but why are ships orange?
They seem more bronze to me. The Vulcan shuttle from TMP had virtually the same color palette. Something could be inferred from that. Top view of the DSC herself also kind looks like a stylized IDIC symbol. Remove the nacelles and you have it for the most part.
I don't see it as unflattering, it actually looked really intriguing to me. Sort of like a weird futuristic video game ship. I've got too much in my head to express it properly, but there was something kind of cool and to a degree 'off' about it.
They're still hiding their main ship. That is not a good sign.
At this point the design should be finished, otherwise they run into great trouble with post-production of the special effects. And the current design looks like shit. And the producers know that, otherwise they would show it in the trailer.
I don't know what's going on there behind the scenes. But whatever it is, it's probably going to make for a great documentary once the DVDs are out...
At this point the design should be finished, otherwise they run into great trouble with post-production of the special effects. And the current design looks like shit. And the producers know that, otherwise they would show it in the trailer.
I don't know what's going on there behind the scenes. But whatever it is, it's probably going to make for a great documentary once the DVDs are out...
They're trying to be mysterious about it. They want it to be a bigger surprise.
The model is done.
And the ship was in the trailer, and it was on the comic-con poster
Moreover, it's from an angle making it impossible to tell whether there really are cutouts in the saucer...
Timo Saloniemi
It's not a surprise when they already showed us the final model, on papers, posters and a shot in the trailer. They're hiding the CGI model, because it looks like shit. And they know it looks like shit. And they want to avoid the backlash they had the first time they showed a model that looked like shit. So they kept it hidden. Even though it will be the focal point of the series.
This is only postponing the backlash until later. To a point when it might already be too late. They have a serious problem at hand, and it's obvious they don't know how to handle it, and time's running out to solve it with the release date coming closer and closer.
Given the reactions to Klingons, if accurate, then I don't blame them.
But, I suspect it's simply wanting it to be a surprise. Probably not as nefarious as it appears.
But, I suspect it's simply wanting it to be a surprise. Probably not as nefarious as it appears.
Are we sure it's their "main ship"? For all we know, 10 of the 15 episodes will be centred on the USS Shenzhou.
That's quite a lot of hyperbole there. You're not privy to their thought processes. You don't know how they feel about the ship. They may absolutely love the ship and are just waiting for the right moment to show it. Or for all we know maybe there isn't enough of it to show because it's only in the pilot for a few minutes. And the CGI model is done. We saw it in the trailer warping away. All the VFX are done for the pilot.
As for the previous "backlash?" Guess what? The ship doesn't look all that different from when we saw it in the promo. Longer nacelles and a gap in the saucer; that's pretty much it. So I don't think they're as worried about "fan backlash" about the design of a ship as you're making it seem.
Here's a thought: Maybe they don't really care all that much about how their ships look, and that's why there isn't some big reveal yet. They certainly don't care about making the ships look anything like TOS. Maybe they're more interested in making a good story.
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My thinking is that since Discovery is the main ship for the series, there is a desire to have a grand reveal or beauty shot when introducing her in the series.
Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.
I doubt they're hiding it because of that.
They probably want some sort of grand reveal in the show.
Maybe something like the reveal of Big E in TMP. Just hopefully not as lengthy
In your opinion.
Doubtful.
Really doubtful.
If any of this were even remotely plausible (which I really don't think it is), we can look to the past at another very applicable analogue, in the form of the NX-01 "Akiraprise". Paramount made the interesting and probably not-too-smart choice of releasing the dorsal view as the first official picture of the NX-01 - I think it was on the cover of TV Guide. There was crying and screaming - lamenting and butthurt - over how identical it was to the Akira design. And the top view admittedly WAS very Akira-like. When we started seeing other views of the ship, particularly the official 3/4 view, it wasn't as bad. Attention completely waned after the first couple of weeks on the provenance of the ship design and focused squarely on the story. At that point, people had more legitimate things to scream about, to be fair.
Long and short of it, after a very short duration of time and investment in the series, nobody will give two rat turds in a rain barrel what the ship looks like and focus entirely on the stories, characters and other more reasonable things. Ship porn geeks like me, however, will be focusing more on the ships, looking for more information, because that's what we do.
Interesting notion I mentioned higher up in the thread - the hull of Discovery is somewhat bronze colored; not the pearlescent white or duck egg blue that is the predominant color palette of all Starfleet ships. Instead it seems to be more closely colored to the TMP Vulcan shuttle. Further, if you remove the warp nacelles and look at the dorsal view of this ship, it quite closely resembles a stylized IDIC symbol. That, to me, is maybe why they're holding back showing the ship. The very nature, existence and design of it may very well be clues to the plot.
But either way, it doesn't look like shit.
In my opinion.
Or they just didn't want to put it in the trailer for spoiler/reveal purposes. Just because something is not in a trailer does not correlate directly to production issues or bad design. The SDCC trailer still pretty much revolves solely around the 2-part pilot episode and basically just expanded on things we'd already seen in trailer one. I agree the angle of the Discovery going to warp was trash even though the VFX for the warp effect was great (very TMP-esque), but I don't think that two second shot was in the trailer to show off the ship. It merely established that it existed and that it potentially ties into the whole "new way to fly" line. More of a question mark tease over anything else.
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