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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x03 - "Ghosts of Illyria"

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Okay, okay.

I concede the point on this one: better educated 23rd Century kids know all about the history of Noonien-Singh and the Eugenics wars.

Rotten little bullying bastards! :vulcan:
 
I'd say any series of regional wars in the 1990s that killed about 37 million people will be remembered and taught two or three hundred years later. That's not exactly the death toll from a private plane accident.
 
Sure they did. All starfleet officers and academy graduates.

But what about kids growing up in grade school?
I learned about a variety of wars, and did some small reennactments even in class. I still remember the War of the Roses, House of Lancaster and the House of York, Spanish-American War, Hannibal, Punic Wars, amongst others.
 
So not to derail the conversation too much, but I'm seriously in love with the leather landing party jackets in this episode! I'm trying to find commercially available replicas for cosplay, but I'm not having much luck. I did find a website called The Leatherz that sells movie and TV replica jackets, and they have a Strange New Worlds leather jacket for sale, but there are no item images, just stills from the episode. I may be wrong but that just seems kinda sketchy. I was wondering if anyone knew whether they were a reputable company? Here's the link to the site where they are sold: https://theleatherz.com/product/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-leather-jacket/

I like them a lot as well. I don’t think they are available officially yet but I’m sure it won’t be long.

Any chance that place makes everything "to order"? I mean, they should still have some examples of their work. I'd wait till there are a couple reviews of the jacket.
 
I'd say any series of regional wars in the 1990s that killed about 37 million people will be remembered and taught two or three hundred years later. That's not exactly the death toll from a private plane accident.
Everybody learns about WWI and II, and the holocaust, but how many curriculum give any breathing room to Vietnam (800,000-1.15 million deaths)
? Or Korea (3.4 million)? or Kuwait (200,000)?
I was in high school in the 90's and I doubt any single class gave any mention to the Rwandan Genocide. (500,00 - 1 million)
Most of my knowledge of the brutal colonialism perpetrated by the British Empire and the British East India company came from watching the PotC films and wanting to know more about the history it was set in.
Terry Pratchett wrote an adorable book set in the Colonial period which completely hides just how awful British colonialism was.
 
Khan probably never even met his kids. He definitely wouldn't put up with little rugrats toddling around the house.

And the disaster at Ceti Alpha happened only six months after the group was left there. One would think it impossible to raise a family in that kind of environment.
I doubt La'an's people, other than Khan, were on the Botany Bay or Ceti Alpha. Most likely left behind to face judgement,
 
Okay, okay.

I concede the point on this one: better educated 23rd Century kids know all about the history of Noonien-Singh and the Eugenics wars.

Rotten little bullying bastards! :vulcan:
Familiarity with names is inconsistent. Every American knows of Hitler, but hardly anyone could name the Emperor of Japan in WW2, or his top military man.
 
You know, it just hit me: If La'an was bullied for being Khan's descendant...why the :censored: ddin't she change her name?

I mean, if somebody walks around today with a last name like Hitler or bin Laden, they're gonna catch hell for it....
Maybe she should change her name to Soong. :biggrin:
 
Everybody learns about WWI and II, and the holocaust, but how many curriculum give any breathing room to Vietnam (800,000-1.15 million deaths)
? Or Korea (3.4 million)? or Kuwait (200,000)?
I was in high school in the 90's and I doubt any single class gave any mention to the Rwandan Genocide. (500,00 - 1 million)
italy here, we did Vietnam in school but only very in passing, no mention at all of the other conflicts you mention.
 
I think you'll find many who do indeed know of:
Hirohito and Tojo

and Stalin as well.
Well done. :techman: Now ask 10 people in the street. I'd bet that, at most, 10% would be able to name the Emperor and his top general, as you've done. And that's a generous estimate. Proportionally, there's a significant gap between knowing of Hitler and knowing of Hirohito.
 
Well done. :techman: Now ask 10 people in the street. I'd bet that, at most, 10% would be able to name the Emperor and his top general, as you've done. And that's a generous estimate. Proportionally, there's a significant gap between knowing of Hitler and knowing of Hirohito.
To be honest I'd like to know if those people who couldn't also named Hirohito and Tojo would in fact also be able to recall who Adolph Hitler was and what he's known for.

If there's one constant in the population of the masses, it's that people are stupid; and most don't even bother to research anything past what they need to know for their day to day existence.

You may be surprised to find that after 80+ years, he may have faded a bit from the public consciousness as a whole as well.

( in fact I wonder if Jackoverfull would be able to recall who Pol Pot was ;))
 
To be honest I'd like to know if those people who couldn't also named Hirohito and Tojo would in fact also be able to recall who Adolph Hitler was and what he's known for.
Now, come on. Hitler is one of the best-known humans in history, for people today. Of course more people would know his name.
 
I think you'll find many who do indeed know of:
Hirohito and Tojo
To be honest I'd like to know if those people who couldn't also named Hirohito and Tojo would in fact also be able to recall who Adolph Hitler was and what he's known for. If there's one constant in the population of the masses, it's that people are stupid; and most don't even bother to research anything past what they need to know for their day to day existence.
These are 2 different opinions you're giving.

Hitler is still referenced frequently enough with regards to right-wing politics that the general population hasn't forgotten. But who references Hirohito, by name, in public discourse? Next to no one.
 
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