Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x03 - "Ghosts of Illyria"

[Turtletrekker]

La'an is more than the crimes of a single family member. Perhaps there are other parts of her heritage that she takes pride in. If people have a problem with her using her birth name, that is, by definition, their own problem and they're the ones that need to get over it.

 

[Belz...]

That's different. People shouldn't expect to be bullied because of things like hair color.

People shouldn't expect to be bullied, period.

Names, OTOH? If La'an walks around sharing the surname of a murderous dictator and doesn't pick up on the fact that there just might be people who don't like that...it's on her.

She was bullied as a child. Surely you can't blame her for that.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

La'an is more than the crimes of a single family member. Perhaps there are other parts of her heritage that she takes pride in.

I would hope that La'an is't actually proud of being Khan's descendant. Is she some kind of Augment apologist? 'Khan Lives Matter'?

People shouldn't expect to be bullied, period.

If you walk around with the same name as a bloodthirsty tyrant? You should see it coming.

She was bullied as a child. Surely you can't blame her for that.

No, but you can blame her parents for not changing the name.

 

[Jack Wolfe]

Khan probably never even met his kids. He definitely wouldn't put up with little rugrats toddling around the house.

Because monarchs never give a thought to ensuring their bloodline and the future of their dynasty. Riiiiight.

Next you'll be telling me Marla was the only woman he ever knocked boots with.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Next you'll be telling me Marla was the only woman he ever knocked boots with.

Khan probably banged every woman in the colony - whether or not they wanted to.

Khan wanting a descendant to carry on the family name? No problem with that. I just don't see him actually putting up with having the kids around him. Like I said, he probably had them raised by nannies and never personally met them. While he of course cares about having a legacy, he doesn't seem to care about actually being a father.

And there's also still no explanation as to how Khan's kids could have survived the disaster at Ceti Alpha. In TWOK, they'd be teenagers, so I suppose they could have been there (we just never saw them) but they wouldn't have even been born yet when the disaster actually happened.

 

[Jack Wolfe]

Khan probably banged every woman in the colony - whether or not they wanted to.

One might consider his life before exile, too.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

One might consider his life before exile, too.

True dat.

 

[UssGlenn]

And there's also still no explanation as to how Khan's kids could have survived the disaster at Ceti Alpha. In TWOK, they'd be teenagers, so I suppose they could have been there (we just never saw them) but they wouldn't have even been born yet when the disaster actually happened.

Why are we talking about Ceti Alpha V? La'an would be decended from kids born before 1996.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

La'an would be decended from kids born before 1996.

Yeah, I admit I didn't even consider that angle.

 

[Mudd]

Why are we talking about Ceti Alpha V? La'an would be decended from kids born before 1996.

Or before 20-whatever.

 

[Tuskin38]

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[Belz...]

No, but you can blame her parents for not changing the name.

How about we blame the bullies?

 

[Jedi Marso]

I question whether the name 'Khan' would engender any special notice in the 23rd Century. The Eugenics wars were two centuries past, and when Kirk and co found the Botany Bay, it took them a while to even ferret out who Khan was, even with all the clues.

So for kids growing up in the 23rd Century schoolyard, why would the Eugenics wars, augments, and the name 'Khan' even be on their radar screens?

 

[Tuskin38]

I question whether the name 'Khan' would engender any special notice in the 23rd Century. The Eugenics wars were two centuries past, and when Kirk and co found the Botany Bay, it took them a while to even ferret out who Khan was, even with all the clues.

So for kids growing up in the 23rd Century schoolyard, why would the Eugenics wars, augments, and the name 'Khan' even be on their radar screens?

As soon as they learned his name, Kirk, Scott and McCoy knew exactly who he was, they just didn't recognize him visually.

KIRK: Name, Khan, as we know him today. (Spock changes the picture) Name, Khan Noonien Singh.
SPOCK: From 1992 through 1996, absolute ruler of more than a quarter of your world. From Asia through the Middle East.
MCCOY: The last of the tyrants to be overthrown.
SCOTT: I must confess, gentlemen. I've always held a sneaking admiration for this one.
KIRK: He was the best of the tyrants and the most dangerous. They were supermen, in a sense. Stronger, braver, certainly more ambitious, more daring.

I'm sure kids learned about the wars in school, at least in Earth history class.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Sure they did. All starfleet officers and academy graduates.

But what about kids growing up in grade school?

EDIT: I guess I should have referred to the name 'Singh' instead of Khan, since Singh is the surname. But there are a lot of people with the surname Singh in the world, just like there are a lot of people named Smith, Vasquez, and what not.

https://forebears.io/surnames/singh

 

[Tuskin38]

But what about kids growing up in grade school?

History class. They probably still learn about WW2 as well.

Those living on Earth or Earth colonies at least.

We still learn about the colonization of the Americas, and that was around the same amount of time ago.

 

[cooleddie74]

Archer had an ancestor in the Eugenics Wars fighting in North Africa so I'm sure human school children and families of the 21st and 22nd centuries had their stories about brothers, cousins or fathers having to go fight in the wars to put down the genetically superior "supermen."

 

[UssGlenn]

I question whether the name 'Khan' would engender any special notice in the 23rd Century. The Eugenics wars were two centuries past, and when Kirk and co found the Botany Bay, it took them a while to even ferret out who Khan was, even with all the clues.

So for kids growing up in the 23rd Century schoolyard, why would the Eugenics wars, augments, and the name 'Khan' even be on their radar screens?

Sure they did. All starfleet officers and academy graduates.

But what about kids growing up in grade school?

"Khan" isn't the issue, she doesn't have it in her name, it's the Noonian-Singh part.

Also, I took Texas History in the 4th grade, separate from US and World History. I'm sure they get a class on Earth History in elementary school.

 

[Tuskin38]

EDIT: I guess I should have referred to the name 'Singh' instead of Khan, since Singh is the surname. But there are a lot of people with the surname Singh in the world, just like there are a lot of people named Smith, Vasquez, and what not.

SNW seems to be hyphenating Noonien-Singh for La'an 's full name.

 

[cooleddie74]

So for kids growing up in the 23rd Century schoolyard, why would the Eugenics wars, augments, and the name 'Khan' even be on their radar screens?

I know about the Franco-Prussian War and wasn't even born until more than a century later and had no ancestor fighting in it. But I still knew about it and its relative significance.