Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[Campe]

Maybe, still… Meh.

 

[DaveyNY]

He could just be trolling people. Stirring people up to get a reaction and a bit of attention.

With how often he's doing it, that's probably a given.

"Lookie at me, I can prove that New Trek sucks..., with Math!"

 

[Tuskin38]

Plus those numbers he showed are just for watching on cable. I watch on Crave since it's on there at like 5-6AM, it doesn't air on cable until 9PM.

 

[DaveyNY]

Plus those numbers he showed are just for watching on cable. I watch on Crave since it's on there at like 5-6AM, it doesn't air on cable until 9PM.

... and I (as well as many others) stream it, so his numbers aren't even close to being actual 'eyes on' the Trek shows.

 

[Jack Wolfe]

... and I (as well as many others) stream it, so his numbers aren't even close to being actual 'eyes on' the Trek shows.

But the actual numbers would mess up his Chicken Little act.

 

[Skywalker]

Imagine liking both Star Trek and Star Wars. Gross.

 

[Jack Wolfe]

Imagine liking both Star Trek and Star Wars. Gross.

Star Twerks?

 

[cooleddie74]

The best social commentary and space action is ground with the hips.

 

[Noname Given]

Imagine liking both Star Trek and Star Wars. Gross.

^^^.
KILL THE HERETIC!

 

[Timofnine]

Imagine liking both Star Trek and Star Wars. Gross.

I might watch Star Wars one day, I have never seen it… I wouldn’t know where to begin though as I hear that the universe is quite expansive and complicated! I wonder if I would like it or not? My friends sometimes accidentally get me Star Wars gifts because they think that I like it, they often confuse it with Star Trek.

Back to SNW, does anybody have the weekly Neilson viewing figures/ratings yet?

 

[Richard S. Ta]

My opinion of SNW is that I'm sold on it. For me, "Ghosts of Illyria" did for SNW what "Context Is for Kings" did for DSC. I'm finally passed the "we'll see... " stage.

What tipped you over? I'm still not quite there yet. The third was good, probably the best, but I haven't been blown away yet.

As it stands I feel I prefer SNW to PIC, but I prefer DSC to SNW.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I might watch Star Wars one day, I have never seen it… I wouldn’t know where to begin though as I hear that the universe is quite expansive and complicated! I wonder if I would like it or not? My friends sometimes accidentally get me Star Wars gifts because they think that I like it, they often confuse it with Star Trek.

There really isn't that much Star Wars to watch, especially compared to Trek. Three movie trilogies, two stand-alone movies and a handful of small tv shows and cartoons. The only way I would consider it an 'expansive' universe is if you're counting all of the books and comics, too, and by that standard almost any franchise can be expansive.

If you're really interested you can just start with the movies in the order they were released. There's nothing complicated or hard to follow about it.

 

[NCC-73515]

I might watch Star Wars one day, I have never seen it… I wouldn’t know where to begin though as I hear that the universe is quite expansive and complicated! I wonder if I would like it or not? My friends sometimes accidentally get me Star Wars gifts because they think that I like it, they often confuse it with Star Trek.

Back to SNW, does anybody have the weekly Neilson viewing figures/ratings yet?

I also got SW toys and stuff and had to pretend to be happy instead of trying to explain

Just watch the first one from 77 or whenever it was, and if that's not bad for you, the next one (which is supposed to be amazing). If the 3rd one still keeps you going, watch the first of the prequel ones, and so forth

 

[dupersuper]

I might watch Star Wars one day, I have never seen it… I wouldn’t know where to begin though as I hear that the universe is quite expansive and complicated!

I mean, if you can follow Star Trek...

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I think you'll do fine watching them in the order they came out. Something like:

1. Original Trilogy
   
2. Prequel Trilogy
3. Clone Wars (3D)
   
4. Rebels
5. Sequel Trilogy/Rogue One/Solo
6. The Mandalorian
7. The Book of Boba Fett

Though it might help to have a watch list for Clone Wars to put the stories in the right order and let you know which ones are skippable.

Bringing the subject back to Strange New Worlds: I've seen three episodes now and it's alright. Not my favourite Trek, but it does feel like Trek.

 

[Rahul]

Can I just say how absolutely in love I am with this show?

I thought I became a jaded old man, as I didn't like DIS or PIC, stopped watching both & were longing for the "good old days". I mean - this might still be true, considering how retro this show feels?

But I absolutely love it. TOS has always been my favourite - but it has noticeably aged with time - and this one feels like a modern, updated TOS. There are a lot of nuTrek-isms in it I don't like. But also many I do like, like the characters behaving more human-like, and everything a bit more adventurous and daring than the TNG (or ENT) era. And it's an absolute joy to watch any minute of this, even the stupid ones.

My opinion of SNW is that I'm sold on it. For me, "Ghosts of Illyria" did for SNW what "Context Is for Kings" did for DSC. I'm finally passed the "we'll see... " stage.

Funnily enough, for me too.... even though in a very different way
Because I thought "Ghosts of Illyria" was not a good episode. An unremarkable plot of the week, with very badly executed double "dark secret"-reveal.

But at the same time - if this is what a bad SNW episode is? Damn, I'm in. I was thoroughly entertained by many bits in it, it didn't feel like I was wasting my time (cough PIC S2 cough), and I freakin' love the casual conversations and pure style of it!

Now of course I'll have to see how the rest of the season shakes out. But right now? I feel like a kid watching Star Trek for the first time again.

 

[137th Gebirg]

I think you'll do fine watching them in the order they came out. Something like:

1. Original Trilogy
   
2. Prequel Trilogy
3. Clone Wars (3D)
   
4. Rebels
5. Sequel Trilogy/Rogue One/Solo
6. The Mandalorian
7. The Book of Boba Fett

Though it might help to have a watch list for Clone Wars to put the stories in the right order and let you know which ones are skippable.

Bringing the subject back to Strange New Worlds: I've seen three episodes now and it's alright. Not my favourite Trek, but it does feel like Trek.

There’s also Resistance, but I found that one to be painfully unwatchable.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

There’s also Resistance, but I found that one to be painfully unwatchable.

Yeah, that was amazingly bad. I wasn't prepared for how terrible it was. Probably best to skip it.

I should've mentioned The Bad Batch though, which chronologically fits between Clone Wars and Rebels and is about the same level of quality. (They're all good).

 

[Tuskin38]

I liked Resistance. I don't think it was bad, just not as mature as the others.

I think it's the only Star Wars cartoon to have a gay couple.

 

[Lord Garth]

What tipped you over? I'm still not quite there yet. The third was good, probably the best, but I haven't been blown away yet.

As it stands I feel I prefer SNW to PIC, but I prefer DSC to SNW.

This is about where I am right now with how I think I'll be placing the series. Thanks a lot PIC Season 2! I'll just cut-and-paste what I said the other day.

For the SNW in general:

My biggest worry about SNW was that it might be Star Trek's version of Happy Days. A look back to a "happier", "simpler" time before "everything hit the fan". I've never actually watched a full episode of Happy Days, but that's my image of it. And I thought SNW would just be "that happy time before DSC and PIC!" With Pike's accident being a metaphor for things taking a turn for the worse later on. It can be about that, but it shouldn't be just about that. "Children of Illyria" showed me it wouldn't be. And that's what ultimately sold me on this series and put any doubts I had to rest.

For "Children of Illyria" in particular:

Started good, then became better as it went along. I like how Pike dealt with Number One being Illyrian. La'an's reaction struck true as well. But the thing that really drives the episode home is Number One's pointed question to herself: how would she be regarded if she wasn't thought of as "one of the good ones?"

I never really thought too much about it before when all we had of Pike's crew was "The Cage" but ever since SNW has become a thing, I've wondered "Why didn't Number One become Captain of the Enterprise after Pike instead of Kirk?" Sadly with Starfleet Command being the way it is, clutching their pearls in public to maintain an image, I think she doesn't become Captain because of their intolerance. That makes the Starfleet Admirals who decide these things hypocrites since the Federation claims to be tolerant, but all it is is a claim. They're tolerant up to a point, then very intolerant after that.

The characterization remains spectular, the planet-of-the-week crisis looks routine at first, but then the plot becomes more and more character-driven to the point where it overpowers any routine.

The Illyrians on this world tried to bend over backwards to get into the good graces of the Federation by not doing what was necessary to save themselves and it ended up costing their lives. This is why you don't bend over for society so completely. That society doesn't have your best interests at heart.

Not powerful enough to be a 10, but deserves more than an "I really liked it!" 8 because there was so much to take away from it... so I'm going to give this episode a 9.