Walking Dead Season 7 Discussion - Spoilers possible!
- Thread starter FPAlpha
- Start date
Me, too. I thought it was a bunch of smoking concrete slabs.
I'm trying to figure out how much manpower he actually has. We know Rick's group has killed at least fifty of his men without (apparently) a significant impact on his operation. But he can't have unlimited manpower, even though that's how it looked at the end of last season. There's no way they could portray him as having, say, a thousand fighters. Partly because that's an implausible number to support purely from scavenging and extortion — but more specifically, it has to be a number that the communities have a chance against if they band together.
So I'm going to take a stab and say 200 men, down from 250 in the past. I think with that number the odds would be just about even if the communities want to fight back.
Any thoughts?
Closer to twenty, if not less. There is the group that got rocket grenaded (6 or 7?) and the group that died in the compound raid (10 to 15?). That's pretty much it.
Plus the ones Carol killed on the road, and the small group led by Alicia Witt.
That was the 'punishment' for the rifle Michonne had (as opposed to him just flat-out killing her or someone else for Rick not having known/handed it over sooner).
Yup. It was more like 20 in the compound, plus 6-7 victims of the rocket grenade, plus 4?5? members of Paula's group, plus 4?5? that attacked Carol, plus a handful of others like those at the railroad tracks. I overstated a little by saying at least 50, but it can't be less than 40.
Anyway, my question wasn't that; it was how many are left. Normally on this show the loss of 40 men should be a crippling blow and this doesn't seem to have affected Negan's strength at all. On the other hand, inflate the number too large and it becomes implausible for the reasons I mentioned. A rough number of 200 sounds realistic.
And what are their jobs when NOT being an enforcer.
?
?
Enforcement is a full-time job.
Yes, but they do get coffee breaks, paid vacation, and a pension. It's written into their contracts.
Strong Union.
Sick time is a bummer, though. I think Lucille negotiates that end of things. 
Zombie-Apocalypse broke out before Trump.
Frankly, it wasn't even necessary. 90 minutes of emasculation doesn't exactly go unnoticed. If Negan is doing like he says, then he's only taking what he considers is right or just, & that final line doesn't really jive with that. It came off as him doing it just because he found it fun, which not only belies the character slightly, but if he's only doing it for the enjoyment, then it kind of comes of as homoerotic too. lol. Yeah, it's borderline gratuitous
Am I wrong or are we supposed to be under the impression that Negan doesn't know about Judith at all? I get the feeling from Rick's little truth bomb that there's an underlying strength there which is unknown to Negan, who basically sees Rick as a simple inferior. His remark about "Man-bush" Rick sort of speaks to that. He thinks Rick has become soft, especially that he can't even keep his son under control, but the truth is, anyone protecting an infant in this world would have to be the hardest bastard out there, & this continued cuckholding of Negan's might not be his strategy if he knew that. After all, it's not how he's treating Ezekiel, because he knows that any dude wandering the wasteland with a damn tiger deserves a little respect. On Talking Dead, Lou Diamond Philips fantasized about an encounter where if Negan wanted that tiger, he'd have it, but that's not how tigers work. You'd have to gun down that tiger. There's no taking it away, & I'm sure Negan knows that, hence he knows Ezekiel is a legitimate force. I think Rick still has some of that force, & Negan doesn't know it yet. I think their dynamic changes if he ever learns of it. It appears Negan himself is trying to conceive with Dwight's ex
He didn't take any inventoried food, the deer wasn't on the inventory
Well, neither was Michonne's rifle, so....
Eh, the vulgarness of doesn't bother me that much. I've read, said and written far worse; but it just seemed way out of place and maybe a bit *too* vulgar from what we've seen in this show -language-wise- so far. It seemed only put there for the shock value and comic reference, it didn't seem entirely necessary to have him say something so vulgar and homoerotic. There's certainly other colorful ways Negan could've told Rick that had fully submitted. Just didn't seem like a line that needed to included.
The line was designed to add insult to injury--to keep forcing the idea of Rick being Negan's "bitch" especially on Rick's home turf. That's one kind of psychological oppression a man will use on another: emasculation on top of the fear of death.
Possibly; when the Saviors were in Rick's house, Carl's opposition stopped their raid, so its possible they never reached Judith's room....but don't be surprised if Spencer--now pretty much hating Rick--would give Negan that bit of information in exchange for his own safety.
Am I mistaken, or did Rick mention to Spencer that he had hidden some guns too?
Rick seemed more upset about the food and booze that Spencer had hidden in the vent.
Also, the Saviours took the RPG launcher, but I wonder if they found any of the rounds or if they were hidden beforehand. Abraham found some number still in crates, Darryl fired one at the Saviour road gang, another into the Alexandria duck pond when it was full of fuel oil, there have to be a few left.
Rick seemed more upset about the food and booze that Spencer had hidden in the vent.
Also, the Saviours took the RPG launcher, but I wonder if they found any of the rounds or if they were hidden beforehand. Abraham found some number still in crates, Darryl fired one at the Saviour road gang, another into the Alexandria duck pond when it was full of fuel oil, there have to be a few left.
Rick said he considered it, but thought better of it lest one of them get caught with a gun by a Savior down the road and the consequences that'd come from that. I suspect they're "expected" to hand over any guns they may recover while scavenging.
IIRC they only had, maybe four rounds. I didn't see them carry away the case with the remaining rounds in it so it's possible they're hidden or were collected from the armory as well and we just didn't see it.
IIRC they only had, maybe four rounds. I didn't see them carry away the case with the remaining rounds in it so it's possible they're hidden or were collected from the armory as well and we just didn't see it.
Yeah. I'm only saying it was borderline gratuitous. I get it, and a lot of my impression is based on Morgan's performance, which I do enjoy, but that interpretation he gives often looks like reveling in other people's belittlement, for the mere sake of getting off on it. I'm not saying that's what's really going on, but it does, to some degree, come off that way
I mean, there already was a fair amount of insult & purposeful humbling on top of the injury of claiming most of their supplies, the forced holding of the very murder weapon that killed two close friends, for one. That sends the "I'm screwing you & you'll thank me" message pretty clearly already
The way I heard the line was something like 'I don't blame you for the gun, I've done it myself', which I took to mean that Rick was referring to the past (probably to when he had Carol steal guns from the armory in preparation for a potential coup in Alexandria). I don't believe he's done it again now, nor that he really even considered it this time.
Last edited:
I think he was maybe referring to hiding guns before they went into Terminus as well.
Similar threads
