Neither had I, until last week.
Walking Dead Season 7 Discussion - Spoilers possible!
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Seeing Ninja Jesus made me think it was all a nightmare for Maggie. It just seems a little too... Contrived, maybe? I guess it was a shock and awe tactic, but still.. Seemed very surreal.Was a little disappointed we didn't get Korl hiding in the truck last episode, but hey, they just delayed it for an episode!
Really, why DON'T bicycles get used more in this world? No need to worry about gas.
The walker attack was silly as fuck, but I was so happy we finally got to see NINJA JESUS!
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Ninja Jesus was awesome.
...but when will he finally decide to step up and accept the risks that are sure to come? He's on his spy mission, but something tells me he will still back away once war plans are created.
Yeah the Saviors tactic seemed very odd. Were they waiting just outside ready to pour in when they thought enough walkers had got inside and did they then back off when they realised the Hilltoppers (or who they thought were Hilltoppers) could handle it?
Gregory is really annoying, and I loved when Jesus wrongfooted him. Xander Berkley has always played that kind of sleazy guy perfectly (I suspect he's a really nice guy in reality!)
Carl is annoying but I did like the Maggie/Sasha/Enid triumvirate
Read one review that said Simon kinda out Negan's Negan whilst being less cartoony and I think there's some truth to that.
I think if they can find the location of the Saviors base that would be a huge step forwards, especially considering there's clearly a sizable number of people within the Saviors who'd likely aid any battle from within.
Not to mention the overwhelming force displayed in the woods was a convergence of many (all?) separate forces under Negan's command, but given the size of his empire (and the confirmed existence of outposts), it's pretty much guaranteed that they can't all be at the home base. Short of knowing Negan's exact schedule and ambushing his convoy, this sort of attack is basically the only chance there is of killing him without having to go through the entire Saviors army first.
The heroes need to model their strategy on the Saviors: set up permanently manned outposts where they (instead of the Savior-monitored residents of Alexandria, Hilltop and the Kingdom) can learn the common movements of the Saviors, and plot some simultaneous attack on other bases--delivering a serious blow/reduction in numbers. The last they need are rogue elements plotting or acting on their own, as we see with Carl and Rosita.
Thing is, Alexandria doesn't have the numbers. The Saviors clearly have massive numbers and at-that numbers of men who are capable and willing to be violent if needed. I don't think the handful of capable of survivors at Alexandria with a bunch of sheltered suburbanites is going to do it.
Not Alexandria alone, which is why I added the Hilltop & the Kingdom. The Kingdom has armed, armored and seemingly experienced people, and that is exactly what any outposts needs. At his point, its all about information gathering, and the three communities have more than enough manpower for that.
Intelligence gathering is what our heroes should have done in the first place instead of foolishly attacking one outpost without any info on the saviors and naively thinking they got Negan along with them. This and give away all their guns is the stupidest thing the group has done. I didn't feel the least bit sorry for Rick and co. during the season 7 premiere.TREK_GOD_1 said:
"Swear"--
Tara carried an episode pretty much on her own. Who knew?
I'm sure fans of Z Nation will say, "The Walking Dead ripped off that all-female group idea!"
Like Star Trek II:The Wrath of Khan--where the villain is so effective because others are talking about him / reacting to him even when he's not on camera.The Walking Dead has succeeded in the same way, which makes a bigger monster out of Negan. Oceanside Beatrice's story of the Saviors murdering all males over 10 years old--and all that it implied--was sickening, and reinforces the uphill battle they are facing...
...and how foolish it is for Rosita to still seek such an in-your-face form of revenge.
You have to wonder why Tara lied about not finding anything/anyone out there. Was it to protect Oceanside? Maybe keep this information to herself as a last resort if Alexandria falls? Or is she trying to spare Oceanside from being dragged into another conflict with the saviors because of hotheads like Rosita?
Heath: whether he was kidnapped, killed, or the tracks had nothing to do with him, I do not need to learn what happened to him. The way he was struggling with guilt over the satellite station murders, and the way they're living life, it would be fitting if he just walks off (thinking Tara died when she fell over the bridge) wanting to put as much physical and psychological distance between himself and the people who turned him into a killer.
Tara carried an episode pretty much on her own. Who knew?
I'm sure fans of Z Nation will say, "The Walking Dead ripped off that all-female group idea!"
Like Star Trek II:The Wrath of Khan--where the villain is so effective because others are talking about him / reacting to him even when he's not on camera.The Walking Dead has succeeded in the same way, which makes a bigger monster out of Negan. Oceanside Beatrice's story of the Saviors murdering all males over 10 years old--and all that it implied--was sickening, and reinforces the uphill battle they are facing...
...and how foolish it is for Rosita to still seek such an in-your-face form of revenge.
You have to wonder why Tara lied about not finding anything/anyone out there. Was it to protect Oceanside? Maybe keep this information to herself as a last resort if Alexandria falls? Or is she trying to spare Oceanside from being dragged into another conflict with the saviors because of hotheads like Rosita?
Heath: whether he was kidnapped, killed, or the tracks had nothing to do with him, I do not need to learn what happened to him. The way he was struggling with guilt over the satellite station murders, and the way they're living life, it would be fitting if he just walks off (thinking Tara died when she fell over the bridge) wanting to put as much physical and psychological distance between himself and the people who turned him into a killer.
The Group didn't really have a choice in the "give away all their guns" thing. Negan was fairly insistent that it was going to happen and with Rick had put up any resistance Negan certainly would have killed and kept killing until Rick gave up the guns.
And Rick had "a point" in giving up the rifle Michonne had because if a Savior caught someone in Rick's group with a gun then certainly there would have been repercussions.
Tonight's episode:
Apocalypse Themyscira is weird.
Not a whole lot to say, I was actually kind of intrigued to see such a well-armed new community, "Oceanside" would have been interested in seeing it join the alliance between Alexandria, The Hilltop and The Kingdom in the eventual war against Negan. But, I guess it wasn't to be and they were pretty set in not budging. I wonder if we'll see them again? If not this is one of those episodes that occurs in some series, most notably in Trek, that "doesn't happen" because the events of it unfold in such a way that only one character knows about it and doesn't tell anyone ergo the episode effectively doesn't happen.
I did think the Walker on the bridge was going to be Heath, I wonder what happened to him? In one of the earlier flashbacks I thought it ditched Tara but it seemed like he stuck it out for her.
Seems that getting anything to satisfy Negan's demands is going to be hard pressed. Hopefully if Eugene can get the ammunition manufacturing up and running it'll be enough to keep Negan at bay like how The Kingdom seems to do it just by offering simple amounts of food.
The "trap" with the Walkers under the pile of sand was pretty cool and a very well done scene both in the initial one and the later one with Tara and Oceansider running on the tops of the cars to get through the herd. The little curio shop Tara found was kind of nifty, seemed very much "in character" for her to grab one of the cheap, tachy, sunglasses. Felt bad for her when she found out about Denise (and Glenn and Abraham, Glenn likely hit her very hard too.)
Pretty good episode, I do wonder if we'll see Oceanside again.
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Edit, what was the keycard-like thing Tara found by the tire tracks and what did it have to do with anything, what did I miss?
I think it's six of one, half a dozen of the other and... er, none of the others?
I think her talk with her savior from Oceanside made her realize the "there's no good guys/bad guys" thing that everyone does what they need to do to survive and maybe she now considers what they did at the satellite station was too far, circling back to the conversation she had with Heath in the open. So she maybe thought that if she told Rosita, and the others, about Oceanside they'd "do what had to be done" to get a new arsenal. At the same time I think it was part out of "respect" for the "word" she gave the community of her not ratting them out. Even though they didn't let her go she still held to her word.
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And Rick had "a point" in giving up the rifle Michonne had because if a Savior caught someone in Rick's group with a gun then certainly there would have been repercussions.
Tonight's episode:
Apocalypse Themyscira is weird.
Not a whole lot to say, I was actually kind of intrigued to see such a well-armed new community, "Oceanside" would have been interested in seeing it join the alliance between Alexandria, The Hilltop and The Kingdom in the eventual war against Negan. But, I guess it wasn't to be and they were pretty set in not budging. I wonder if we'll see them again? If not this is one of those episodes that occurs in some series, most notably in Trek, that "doesn't happen" because the events of it unfold in such a way that only one character knows about it and doesn't tell anyone ergo the episode effectively doesn't happen.
I did think the Walker on the bridge was going to be Heath, I wonder what happened to him? In one of the earlier flashbacks I thought it ditched Tara but it seemed like he stuck it out for her.
Seems that getting anything to satisfy Negan's demands is going to be hard pressed. Hopefully if Eugene can get the ammunition manufacturing up and running it'll be enough to keep Negan at bay like how The Kingdom seems to do it just by offering simple amounts of food.
The "trap" with the Walkers under the pile of sand was pretty cool and a very well done scene both in the initial one and the later one with Tara and Oceansider running on the tops of the cars to get through the herd. The little curio shop Tara found was kind of nifty, seemed very much "in character" for her to grab one of the cheap, tachy, sunglasses. Felt bad for her when she found out about Denise (and Glenn and Abraham, Glenn likely hit her very hard too.)
Pretty good episode, I do wonder if we'll see Oceanside again.
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Edit, what was the keycard-like thing Tara found by the tire tracks and what did it have to do with anything, what did I miss?
I think it's six of one, half a dozen of the other and... er, none of the others?
I think her talk with her savior from Oceanside made her realize the "there's no good guys/bad guys" thing that everyone does what they need to do to survive and maybe she now considers what they did at the satellite station was too far, circling back to the conversation she had with Heath in the open. So she maybe thought that if she told Rosita, and the others, about Oceanside they'd "do what had to be done" to get a new arsenal. At the same time I think it was part out of "respect" for the "word" she gave the community of her not ratting them out. Even though they didn't let her go she still held to her word.
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I know this is outside the latest episode but the next time preview reminded me: doesn't it seem really out of character for Negan and the Saviors not to take Michonne's sword?
Yes, that was foolish--and taking the Hilltop's word on the situation makes Rick's group seem more...stupid than naive.
Pretty strong reaction. Based on the way Negan described all of the attacks on his men, it seemed he would have been willing to let it pass if the killing ended with the bikers Daryl destroyed. On the other hand, his men were aware of Alexandria, and were preparing to move in, so a larger fight was unavoidable. The entire situation is a no-win in the extreme.
I was thinking about that last week when she just turned her back to him and walked away with the sword on her back.
Is Oceanside in the comics? If not...maybe they will be the last part of the alliance that will fight against Negan.
I think I missed from the conversations... I know they mentioned they were decimated by Saviors...but did they give details to show how big and powerful the Savior were (i.e. make Tara doubt that Rick was REALLY successful).. or thinking about it, Eugene probably explained all that...and know how smart Eugene is, that his assessment of their strength is realistic, and currently, with just Alexandria and Oceanside, they would be massacred.
I am sure when Maggie takes control of Hilltop, and the discovery of the Kingdom, Tara will recruit the last piece of resistence, knowing they have a chance (or if she sees someone from Oceanside get killed).
I don't think so...Negan knows that the walkers ARE a threat...and it won't help if his best workers get bitten. He can keep his distance with someone with a katana , which is visible to all.
The Kingdom has lances, don't they?
When did Negan's men know of Alexdandria? I forget -- did Darryl spill the beans to D?
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