"Not only do you have to eat dog food but I put it on day-old bread."
"You bastard!"
"You bastard!"
Walking Dead Season 7 Discussion - Spoilers possible!
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Nice standalone story, doing all characters (in the episode) justice. Sad that he couldn't have taken the head shot. Gonna keep watching....
Torture your friends!
That song was awful, but real torture would be playing every Taylor Swift song ever recorded in a loop. Daryl would be babbling in a corner after that...
Yeah, another slower episode but, didn't mind it. This didn't have as much of the "fun" in it as last week in meeting The Kingdom. But it was interesting to see more of the saviors and see more into Dwight who, if he tracks with the comics, should be a good ally for the war against The Saviors down the road. I do wish we had seen in a flashback the encounter between Negan and Dwight that led to him getting burned with the iron. (Note, when Jeffery Dean Morgan's name appears in the opening credits it appears in a scene showing Lucille in the foreground and in the background you see an old, manual, iron sitting in the fireplace.
But, it was I feel an interesting look at Daryl and how he's recovering from the encounter in the clearing as well as getting to "know" Dwight more. Though I think we could have used more and it would have been nice had at towards the end, as Dwight's loyalties seem to shift, he served Daryl one of his awesome sandwiches. Seriously, that thing looked hella good and I don't like mustard or lettuce. But to show Dwight's loyalties were in a shift.
JDM and Negan, however is always a blast and it was great to see the hints at his harem and the history between him and Dwight after the episode with the burned out forest.
I knew Daryl wouldn't say he was Negan during his final confrontation and was also sure Daryl wouldn't be punished and, rather, would just e further be beaten to be broken. Daryl's too strong of a character and too set in where his loyalties, morals and principles lie at this point. He's grown a lot since the quarry lake camp. Hell, Season 1 Daryl probably would have gotten himself killed at the forest clearing.
But i was talking to my parents and brother afterwards and we were like, "Yeah, I'd say "I am Negan" and the figure out an escape or something. It's obviously possible since what's-his-face, as well as Dwight himself, got out. But Daryl is to stollid a character to admit to any level of defeat even if it's part of a larger plan or he actually has been defeated.
Few will likely get this reference, but it was almost a "There are four lights!" moment.
For me it was a good, if slow, episode but not every episode need to be filled with excitement, death, blood and CGI tigers. Sometimes a "character study" is good and this was a character study of both Dwight and Daryl and, come on, Negan is just too much of a blast. Loved the conversation he had about how well Dwight is functioning after Eugene and why Dwight didn't want to borrow from Dwight's harem.
The woman who played Dwight;s wife was hot. Negan raved about how good-looking she was and I was like, "Yeah she's okay..." Then she was on Talking Dead in a short skirt, great legs and knee-high boots. Yowsa!
But, it was I feel an interesting look at Daryl and how he's recovering from the encounter in the clearing as well as getting to "know" Dwight more. Though I think we could have used more and it would have been nice had at towards the end, as Dwight's loyalties seem to shift, he served Daryl one of his awesome sandwiches. Seriously, that thing looked hella good and I don't like mustard or lettuce. But to show Dwight's loyalties were in a shift.
JDM and Negan, however is always a blast and it was great to see the hints at his harem and the history between him and Dwight after the episode with the burned out forest.
I knew Daryl wouldn't say he was Negan during his final confrontation and was also sure Daryl wouldn't be punished and, rather, would just e further be beaten to be broken. Daryl's too strong of a character and too set in where his loyalties, morals and principles lie at this point. He's grown a lot since the quarry lake camp. Hell, Season 1 Daryl probably would have gotten himself killed at the forest clearing.
But i was talking to my parents and brother afterwards and we were like, "Yeah, I'd say "I am Negan" and the figure out an escape or something. It's obviously possible since what's-his-face, as well as Dwight himself, got out. But Daryl is to stollid a character to admit to any level of defeat even if it's part of a larger plan or he actually has been defeated.
Few will likely get this reference, but it was almost a "There are four lights!" moment.
For me it was a good, if slow, episode but not every episode need to be filled with excitement, death, blood and CGI tigers. Sometimes a "character study" is good and this was a character study of both Dwight and Daryl and, come on, Negan is just too much of a blast. Loved the conversation he had about how well Dwight is functioning after Eugene and why Dwight didn't want to borrow from Dwight's harem.
The woman who played Dwight;s wife was hot. Negan raved about how good-looking she was and I was like, "Yeah she's okay..." Then she was on Talking Dead in a short skirt, great legs and knee-high boots. Yowsa!
That Easy Street song gave me flashbacks to Lost.
It almost broke me.
I get the impression that his wife might end up turning on Negan before Dwight ever considers it. She is very sympathetic to Daryl.
I noticed the iron, too. I'm wondering if its not just a visual nod to Dwight's punishment, but to someone else in the future.
Dwight is too concerned with Negan's control of his wife to turn anytime soon. Negan knows that, hence his twisting the knife by telling the story of how he conquered husband and wife to Daryl.
I could do without the pickles. Other than that, the sandwich looked like it would be delicious,
Its an interesting contrast between Daryl & Rick's reactions; one might argue that Rick was broken because he had more to lose, but Daryl considers the group to be his family--yet he still stands up to Negan, despite the fact his last act of defiance (i.e. punch) caused Glenn's death.
I got that--except Daryl did not turn and yell it out his name like a certain 24th century starship captain...
You're right about character studies--in order to sell the villain as a real threat, we have to not only see what makes him tick, but how its troubling--or destroying the protagonists in the psychological sense. This is what made the Governor arc (in season 3) so effective; his ill mind and manipulation was as effective against Team Prison as any act of violence. I hope this is the case with Negan's effect on the heroes.
BTW, if you watched the episode preview on Talking Dead, it sees Michonne was trying to sneak out of the house with a rifle, with Rick watching from a distance. Disagreement between the two? Will Michonne end up moving in the direction of her comic counterpart?
Yes, she is very attractive
I thought the episode was pretty good. We got to see Negan's inner sanctuary, the edge that his follower's are standing on, and that Daryl won't break, even if he has every reason to. I don't care much for Dwight. I'm actually hoping he turns to good and frees Daryl so Daryl can kill him (for Denise). I do feel bad for Dwight's ex but if I was suppose to feel bad for Dwight, I didn't.
Same here.
Did you forget which website we're on?
FWIW, I copied and pasted this "review"/running thoughts from something I posted on social media and forgot to edit/adapt it to better fit, contextually, here. Of course those here will get the "There are four lights!" thing.
It struck me as very similar given that Gal Dukat was standing there promising Picard a life of comfort and something of luxury in his circumstances if he just bowed to Dukat's insistence that there are five lights. Through the episode Picard remains stolid and steadfast that there are four lights and doesn't waiver from it. Strikes me as very similar to Negan's insistence that Darryl say "I am Negan," as, like with Picard, Negan is standing there offering Daryl a chance to live as a king in comfort and luxury.
We see Daryl consider it, just as Picard did, and then finally say his own name. Just as Picard stayed with the four lights.
At the end of the CoC episode, Picard admits to Troi that he thought he saw five lights and considered conceding to Dukat's torture methods at even the chance at of the life Dukat was offering. (We don't know if he would have given Picard what he promised, rather than continuing to hold him captive) Negan does seem to be something of a "man of his word" and his a taking to Daryl as a future Lieutenant, so I doubt he was lying to Daryl on what he was offering, after all it seems Dwight managed to live a good life under Negan after what happened last season. So the question is, how much did Daryl consider giving in to Negan's manipulations? Now, eating a crummy sandwich that I'm sure isn't too terribly removed from stuff Daryl's eaten over the last 3 years and listening to horrible songs isn't quite nearly the same as the humiliation and torture Picard was put through. But it was still a method of torture.
Daryl may have considered it, but felt it more important to maintain his convictions and himself and not give in to Negan, and perhaps mixed with a bit of Daryl feeling he's deserving of this torture after what happened with Glenn.
Jeffery Dean Morgan is just great in this, though. It's hard to not like him on at least some level because Negan is just a lot of fun.
Daryl's episode was slow but not too bad. It had decent acting. I got the impression that Daryl was planting some future seed with Dwight, when he told him "I know why you did it. You were thinking of someone else. That's why I can't". It really struck me as a subversive way of saying... "Buddy, I'm gonna be stronger than you, & you ain't gonna like it when it goes down"
Fell behind a week, & only saw the kingdom episode a few days ago. Not bad. I find myself constantly prepping for future tragedy on this show now, & I'm afraid that the only thing that kept going through my mind was...
As for the walker fed pigs, it seemed more like a silent "screw you" that had the added advantage of helping them conserve resources for themselves, than an outright attempt to poison the Saviors. Clearly they've been doing it a while, & there's been no consequences as of yet. Hell, I seem to remember Michonne getting her entire head smashed through an aquarium full of zombie head soup. If that don't infect you, no exposure will, (Beyond a walker bite for some reason)
Fell behind a week, & only saw the kingdom episode a few days ago. Not bad. I find myself constantly prepping for future tragedy on this show now, & I'm afraid that the only thing that kept going through my mind was...
"Shit. People are going to be more heartbroken than when they watched Glen die, when someone finally guns down that tiger"
As for the walker fed pigs, it seemed more like a silent "screw you" that had the added advantage of helping them conserve resources for themselves, than an outright attempt to poison the Saviors. Clearly they've been doing it a while, & there's been no consequences as of yet. Hell, I seem to remember Michonne getting her entire head smashed through an aquarium full of zombie head soup. If that don't infect you, no exposure will, (Beyond a walker bite for some reason)
Just when I thought I was done with this show, it pulled me back in! I love that we now have (for the moment) four different groups we can focus on (Alexandria, Hilltop, the Kingdom, the Saviors) without having to rely on the sourpuss gang every episode.
Jeffrey Dean Morgan absolutely kills it as Negan. Dwight's kind of a doucher. The whole "Who's the Boss" intro was pretty good and it was cool seeing Daryl being defiant to Negan and Dwight. Although, I can't decide if it's going to be Dwight or Dwight's ex/Negan's current girlfriend that's going to help Daryl escape.
Another question. What in the hell happened to Dwight's motorcycle? I thought I'd missed something, because he was riding it one moment, and the next time we see it, it's wrecked to shit and he's walking it along. At first, I thought he was doing that to sneak up on the Savior that got away, but then I noticed the spokes were all fucked up. Surely, him dropping the bike to get away from the bridge jumper walker wouldn't do that much damage, would it?
Jeffrey Dean Morgan absolutely kills it as Negan. Dwight's kind of a doucher. The whole "Who's the Boss" intro was pretty good and it was cool seeing Daryl being defiant to Negan and Dwight. Although, I can't decide if it's going to be Dwight or Dwight's ex/Negan's current girlfriend that's going to help Daryl escape.
Another question. What in the hell happened to Dwight's motorcycle? I thought I'd missed something, because he was riding it one moment, and the next time we see it, it's wrecked to shit and he's walking it along. At first, I thought he was doing that to sneak up on the Savior that got away, but then I noticed the spokes were all fucked up. Surely, him dropping the bike to get away from the bridge jumper walker wouldn't do that much damage, would it?
That was an interesting episode, but I’m already starting to have problems with Negan. JDM is great but given in our first view of him he came across as a malevolent, almost supernatural character, so seeing him here, whilst he’s still scary, dangerous and obviously powerful, he does come across like just another warlord and I can’t see why someone wouldn’t just take him out. I appreciate he has loyal followers, but it seems life wasn’t all milk and cookies for everyone in the Saviours’ camp. The fealty thang seemed somewhat inconsistent as well, sometimes people knelt as he went past, sometimes not?
It was interesting to see in Dwight another man who’s been broken, like Rick, although I’m not sure how I feel about him suddenly becoming a sympathetic character given what he did to Denise. The scenes between he and his wife were very nicely done however.
Why were they spiking walkers? I couldn’t figure out if that was some kind of punishment detail for the people with A’s on their shirts, just Walker control or some kind of warning?
I was wondering why Daryl didn’t just lie and say Negan, get into his inner circle then kill him. I guess firstly Negan might not have bought that Daryl could be broken quite that easily, but also that Negan might want him to prove that loyalty in ways that may not be too nice to the folks back in Alexandria.
It was interesting to see in Dwight another man who’s been broken, like Rick, although I’m not sure how I feel about him suddenly becoming a sympathetic character given what he did to Denise. The scenes between he and his wife were very nicely done however.
Why were they spiking walkers? I couldn’t figure out if that was some kind of punishment detail for the people with A’s on their shirts, just Walker control or some kind of warning?
I was wondering why Daryl didn’t just lie and say Negan, get into his inner circle then kill him. I guess firstly Negan might not have bought that Daryl could be broken quite that easily, but also that Negan might want him to prove that loyalty in ways that may not be too nice to the folks back in Alexandria.
I thought the bridge jumper landed on it.
I didn't get that until I saw the "making of" segment on Talking Dead.
Perhaps some Saviors have the freedom (pecking order) to stand as Negan passes.
Seems like a logical theory; Negan's already exploiting Daryl's guilt about Glenn's death, but he realizes that one act will push Daryl to continue his defiance. Forcing him to hurt yet another "family" member would be more than Dixon can take, so if he's as sadistic as assumed, I can see him driving Daryl to the worst.
"You know I like that sword Daryl, go get it for me will ya...oh and the hand that holds it as well."
These last two weeks have been really enjoyable episodes. I like the tone the show is going for this season. It is not just slow pace depressing like the "slow" shows in other seasons, but rather a genuine respite from the intensity of the season opener.
I can see that happening--no matter who is forced to use the weapon
Considering how oppressive Negan is, expect the intensity to return--probably a number of times--whenever one of the Alexandria crew tries to stand up.
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