I'm liking how close the show has stuck to the major beats of the comics these last few seasons--there is definitely a lot more Negan coming up and I'm only reading the third part of that story arc right now.
Walking Dead Season 7 Discussion - Spoilers possible!
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I might not have been so quick to do that. "Put me in the cell for one more week--and then--I will say I am Negan."
He'd be a little more impressed. Also know that any escape opportunity will likely also be a test.
My take is that Negan wants Daryl to be Dwight's replacement--that was my thinking. I can easily see a dead Jeffrey Dean Morgan, with Simon picking up the bat--ad taking his place--though it would be a horror if Daryl took that role as the final villain.
"I am Negan"
BTW--I wonder if Morgan and Robert Downey Jr. are related...
He's "The Walking Dude" of this series, and he has to fall away a bit--to wear--that's by design. If The Kingdom is headed by an actor--I'd say Negan was a drill instructor in his past.
I haven't seen any of the comics--but I have a pretty good idea of where this next episode is going. We see Michonne with the long-arm in the sneak peek right? And there is a scene of her looking emotionally hurt (while on the fence top), and of Negan gloating over Rick.
I think Negan is going to the safe zone alone. She aims to be a sniper--and Rick gives her up.
Negan is impressed--and Rick is well and truly broken.
This also shows that Negan is something of a fatalist.
"Service"--
The heat of that kind of tension could melt steel.
I'll say one thing about TWD--I cannot remember one the villains inspiring so much hate in such a short time
Maggie death fake out. Smart strategy from Father Gabriel..and the only way this lie will not send Negan on the warpath is if she only reemerges when Negan is at his weakest point. That would be be grand running sub-plot.
Father Gabriel scaring Negan was priceless. No one can be sure how Father Gabriel will deal with the situation, since his "faith" line could be read in several ways.
Carl is more dangerous than Negan imagines--but the dressing down of Rick, and the Savior's lustful treatment of Enid sort of points to Carl eventually accepting Negan as the leader / possible father figure somewhere down the road in this season.
In the preview, Carl tells Enid he's not going to save her anymore....
Rosita--understandably--was consumed with memories of the site where Dwight murdered Denise, but she appears to be on the road to some terrible decision. Her "Just your dead friends" to Dwight might get a cheer from the audience, but that cannot go anywhere.
About Dwight: everyone keeps thinking (hoping?) Dwight is laying it on as thick as possible to keep Negan believing he's a "paid up" member who can be trusted...
Spencer...not to be trusted, especially after Rick pulled Negan rank on him.
Bombshell of the season: Rick admits Judith is not his child. Thankfully, Michonne does not blame him for the deaths of Abraham and Glenn.
That would be a twist, but too much of a gimmick, since AMC will never let the most loved zombie-killer bea a villain for any amount of time.
The heat of that kind of tension could melt steel.
I'll say one thing about TWD--I cannot remember one the villains inspiring so much hate in such a short time
Maggie death fake out. Smart strategy from Father Gabriel..and the only way this lie will not send Negan on the warpath is if she only reemerges when Negan is at his weakest point. That would be be grand running sub-plot.
Father Gabriel scaring Negan was priceless. No one can be sure how Father Gabriel will deal with the situation, since his "faith" line could be read in several ways.
Carl is more dangerous than Negan imagines--but the dressing down of Rick, and the Savior's lustful treatment of Enid sort of points to Carl eventually accepting Negan as the leader / possible father figure somewhere down the road in this season.
In the preview, Carl tells Enid he's not going to save her anymore....
Rosita--understandably--was consumed with memories of the site where Dwight murdered Denise, but she appears to be on the road to some terrible decision. Her "Just your dead friends" to Dwight might get a cheer from the audience, but that cannot go anywhere.
About Dwight: everyone keeps thinking (hoping?) Dwight is laying it on as thick as possible to keep Negan believing he's a "paid up" member who can be trusted...
Spencer...not to be trusted, especially after Rick pulled Negan rank on him.
Bombshell of the season: Rick admits Judith is not his child. Thankfully, Michonne does not blame him for the deaths of Abraham and Glenn.
That would be a twist, but too much of a gimmick, since AMC will never let the most loved zombie-killer bea a villain for any amount of time.
Does Rick really know Judith isn't his? I mean, he and Shane both had sex with Lori within a day of one another so it's "possible" Judith is his, unless there's some physical trait Judith has that belongs to Shane and not him.
It's interesting, my Sister in Law watched the episode with us tonight, having never seen the show before, and we paused occasionally to sort of explain some back story and part of that included Rick's back story and then talking about Shane and Lori, explaining to her who Judith was. (Who has grown quite a bit since we last saw her, I'd say fairly solidly now she's 2, putting us the better part of 3 years into the apocalypse.) Only to Rick talk about him, Lori and Shane at the end, which was sort of touching to see him give this to Michonne.
I thought at the end, something pulled Michonne away and she'd find out about The Kingdom, was surprised to see the burning mattresses and what a "nice" "F-you" to Alexandria from The Kingdom. My dad was saying how "dark" the show was getting with the way Negan was behaving towards rick and the Alexandrians, I told him to give it time for the three communities to align to fight the Saviors.
In the comics when Rick gives his "I'm not in charge anymore" speech to Alexandrians he then has some members of The Group to do some reconnaissance on The Saviors (Andrea or Michonne, IIRC.) Was expecting something similar here with Rick showing he's working on a plan and just putting on a face for Negan's "sake." But looks like Rick is truly defeated, glad to see Michonne and him still are together and she's not thinking much less of him for it.
Might have needed to sight that gun in, Michonne. Or stick with katanna.
Fuck you Spencer.
Daryl is broken.
Did *not* expect the "slide my dick down your throat" line from Negan in the show considering it seems a bit vulgar even for a nighttime cable series. Did expect to hear the "best friends" exchange between Rick and Negan like in the comics and didn't get it.
It's still hard to not slightly love JDM's Negan just a little bit. Vulgar, crass and pulling the show dark but somehow also fun.
It's interesting, my Sister in Law watched the episode with us tonight, having never seen the show before, and we paused occasionally to sort of explain some back story and part of that included Rick's back story and then talking about Shane and Lori, explaining to her who Judith was. (Who has grown quite a bit since we last saw her, I'd say fairly solidly now she's 2, putting us the better part of 3 years into the apocalypse.) Only to Rick talk about him, Lori and Shane at the end, which was sort of touching to see him give this to Michonne.
I thought at the end, something pulled Michonne away and she'd find out about The Kingdom, was surprised to see the burning mattresses and what a "nice" "F-you" to Alexandria from The Kingdom. My dad was saying how "dark" the show was getting with the way Negan was behaving towards rick and the Alexandrians, I told him to give it time for the three communities to align to fight the Saviors.
In the comics when Rick gives his "I'm not in charge anymore" speech to Alexandrians he then has some members of The Group to do some reconnaissance on The Saviors (Andrea or Michonne, IIRC.) Was expecting something similar here with Rick showing he's working on a plan and just putting on a face for Negan's "sake." But looks like Rick is truly defeated, glad to see Michonne and him still are together and she's not thinking much less of him for it.
Might have needed to sight that gun in, Michonne. Or stick with katanna.
Fuck you Spencer.
Daryl is broken.
Did *not* expect the "slide my dick down your throat" line from Negan in the show considering it seems a bit vulgar even for a nighttime cable series. Did expect to hear the "best friends" exchange between Rick and Negan like in the comics and didn't get it.
It's still hard to not slightly love JDM's Negan just a little bit. Vulgar, crass and pulling the show dark but somehow also fun.
Too dark for me to find him particularly fun. That's odd because I do find the Joker fun and they're pretty similar characters. Ah well ... I guess some folks are born comedians and some aren't.
I did think the line about buying him dinner was pretty funny, though.
The story this season is pretty good. I thought Alexandria was smart enough to hide the guns (apart from a good stash to act like they had guns, plus Neegan's stolen stuff), especially the missile launcher. Now I really don't see them fighting back.
I'm assuming Maggie is away somewhere with the missing Sasha.
I'm assuming Maggie is away somewhere with the missing Sasha.
They went to the Hill colony to see the doctor, remember?
Shane was already involved with Lori before Rick reunited with Lori, so it was always heavily implied that Shane was the biological father. Lori half admitted as much, telling Shane that even if the child is his--it isn't.
It's been a few seasons since Rick has been a truly sympathetic character, but this moment pushed him back in that category. He's a real man for loving Judith as his own, but his memories of Lori will always be tainted with her affair. Not an easy thing to carry around.
I tend to agree with your feeling, but we should remember that before the arrival of Rick's crew, Spencer and his family were sheltered; they dealt with walkers, but not evil among the living. His constant belief that there was always some way out of conflicts speaks to his naive, frightened life. He seems to think all death can be avoided, when in reality, that's far from the truth. Rick was right in threatening to punch his teeth out for the loose way he used Glenn & Abraham in his hissy fit.
I'm not sure. Negan will make things horrible for him, but his behavior at Alexandria seems like that of a guy waiting for a signal (from Rick) of any kind.
That's the thing though.. people in this world are broken and will take any shelter they can find. Having a strong leader who is able to keep out the Walkers and having a well stocked and safe living space for the price of one's own dignity? As we can see there's not too few people willing to take that deal.
Sure he's the master of all dicks but rising up against him is a surefire way to get killed in the most brutal way and if you're unlucky it might not even be you but someone you care about while he let's you live in misery and he's demonstrated it time and again, most recently with Rick's group. There is no threat to him because he keeps the damgerous men comfortable with goodies.. food, women and they get to do whatever they want unless it goes up against one of Negan's rules. Why would anyone risk this for an uncertain outcome when they have as much if a luxury life as possible under these circumstances and as long as Negan can keep this up there is no need for a rebellon. His "Lieutenants" will also make damn sure that the workers and rabble don't get any ideas.. that's their job.
God damn.. what an intense episode. Jeffrey Dean Morgan just kills it in his role (though he seemed to have become real skinny as he aged, i remember him from 10 years ago where he was much broader and would have fit the role even better). The glee he has twisting the knife in Rick and the sudden bursts of barely contained anger when he even smells defiance is great to watch.
I knew instantly that the grave was empty and what they did, they didn't say it but she's at Hilltop surely though that begs the question if Rick duped them to say it was cleared with Negan or if this is the first open sign of rebellion.
Speaking of rebellion i thought Rick would be completely broken and the shell of the defiant man he was.. seems i was wrong. He knows he can't gain anything currently by starting some shit right now so he lays low and rolls over but it's hard on him as anyone has seen. He doesn't know about The Kingdom yet but once he does i think he's trying to form an alliance of the 3 settlements against the Saviours and i'm prepared to see shit hit the fan in the season finale
I think Negan would think a sudden herd attack was too convenient, and blame Rick;s group. Moreover, I find it hard to imagine Negan does not have spotters in all directions, watching every movement--now that he has a new slave colony.
No one can be sure how Father Gabriel will deal with any situation, period.
Though, I know it's directly from the comic, I think Negan's "slid my dick down your throat" comment was a bit too vulgar and far even for a cable series even with everything done and said on this show so far. It, somehow, works in the comics but here on the show it just sort of felt really out of place since the show, even with all of the violence and language, hasn't quite gotten that vulgar.
Petty tyrants run their course, then are gone. I'm looking forward to Negan's downfall, hopefully Rick slices his face off.
Ah that's what it was! I couldn't figure out quite what Michonne was seeing (for a second I thought it was a crashed satellite! Which makes no sense at all I was just really tired by this point!)
That was a good episode. Have to admit TWD has started to be something I didn't look forward to. Something I wanted to watch but for the first time in a while I was considering not watching it live/just after airing but waiting a few days, and I know a few other people who are starting to feel the show's getting a bit too dark/hopeless. Glad I did watch this. It's interesting to see just how broken Rick is, but also to see a glimmer that he's not completely broken as well. I wonder just how close he was to using Lucille?
Negan was less of a cartoon villain this week, I think his flip from nice to nasty is a little too on the nose at times, and I still can't see why someone doesn't just put a bullet in him and I don't see how he can be a long term threat. I can see how he has a loyal bunch of lieutenants (though you have to wonder how many of them likely hate his guts like Dwight does) and how there's the implied threat that any action will result in your death and the death of those close to you, but surely, especially in this post apocalyptic world, there are going to be people who just don't give a shit about their own lives or the lives of anyone else who'll just want to take him out?
Add into this is the fact that he isn't given any of the communities any reason to support him other than fear, and however afraid they are, history is replete with examples of peoples who've risen up again oppressors even though they knew there'd be horrible reprisals.
I'm probably over thinking this, and giving Negan too much credit for being a smart man, but it strikes me his empire would work a lot better if he was, on occasion, magnanimous, especially if that magnanimity was used in a way that divided and conquered his enemies. So allow some of the Alexandrians to keep guns, Spencer maybe, drive a wedge between the Alexandrians, create a them and us situation even within the satellite kingdoms.
I also don't understand why he doesn't leave a permanent detachment in each community, especially given he's got the manpower, unless he's afraid of these local commanders getting ideas above their stations?
Anyway, as great as JDM is I can't wait to see Rick kick his fucking arse!
Nice to see Rosita getting more to do, and I wonder, is that bullet for Negan, or is it in fact for Dwight? Was the casing from the shot Negan fired earlier? Convenient but also a nice touch if that's the case. Rosita is case in point for what I was saying, in that I don't think she gives a shit what happens to her, or others, after she fires that shot.
Father Gabriel sneaking up on Negan with that smile was brilliant, he's turned into a great character and I hope we see more of him this year, the trick with Maggie's grave was inspired.
Spencer is a dick, but not sure I can find it in my heart to blame him. Sure their safety and wonderful life was hollow and bound to end in tears, but from his perspective before Rick came along they were safe and happy and his mum and dad were both still alive. I think we can all see where this storyline is going, it's Ron all over again.
What is Daryl up to? Is he broken (obviously not or he'd say his name was Negan) is he playing some kind of long game to gain Negan's trust so he can kill him, or is it simply a case of using his new life as some kind of penance for getting Glenn killed?
Dwight annoys me. After last week the show tried to humanise him it seemed like it was business as usual this week. I appreciate it might be an act, but he seems to take genuine relish in it.
The best bit was Rick's confession about Shane/Judith. Took me a moment to remember than Michonne never knew Shane or Lori. Lincoln nailed it here, proving without a shadow of a doubt that even after some of the horrible things he's done, Rick is still the good guy, and nothing like Negan.
The one part that bugs me and I understand the need for the plot is Rick and Co. not having some guns stashed away somewhere. I know that if I was in his shoes and the situation he was in that would've been the first thing I would have done. There's probably 10 or more wherever Carol was living. I guess he had a lot of faith in Negan only claiming 50% of their stuff.
I think that leather jacket is half his bulk these days. He even wears it in the recent interviews I've seen.
I think that leather jacket is half his bulk these days. He even wears it in the recent interviews I've seen.
Also what happens if they find guns during the course of any scouting trips? It's always likely they'll come across some weapons and/or ammo- in that instance do they not take them, do they take them and hide them, do they take them and hide some of them, turning the rest over to Negan, or do they just turn every single one over to Negan?
I'm guessing they had far less trouble in getting the Kingdom on board, which is why I'm guessing they get to keep their guns. And didn't the Hilltop have guns, just no ammo? (I may be remembering that wrong)
I'm guessing they had far less trouble in getting the Kingdom on board, which is why I'm guessing they get to keep their guns. And didn't the Hilltop have guns, just no ammo? (I may be remembering that wrong)
Negan appears to be able to read people well. He knows Rick and his community hasn't been "tamed" yet, so he's being a bigger dick to them until they learn their place and become as subservient as the other communities. He didn't have to take away the guns from the Kingdom or Hilltop because the chances of them fighting back (on their own) are next to nil.
Negan said that he was not going to take any food and then took the deer.
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