Discussion in 'Star Trek: Strange New Worlds' started by F. King Daniel, Mar 29, 2022.
I think the entire cast is gorgeous.
The fashion world is sexist. And doesn't apply here.
If they are trying to avoid making Uhura too lovely then they failed. Also, proves nothing of the ridiculous point being argued. This is assuming much with no evidence beyond hyperbolic phrasing disproven by people in this thread.
Not buying it.
They probably just went for the best actress for the role rather than trying to find someone that looks like 2 different people.
Yep. They were casting for a character called "Uhura" not the leads in biopics of Nichols and Saldana.
A new interview with Celia Rose Gooding at Inverse:
Well, this makes me feel old
Next you'll tell me Mount was hired because he acts well rather than looks like Jeffery Hunter!
There's an entire generation of Trekkies out there for whom ST09 was their childhood introduction to Trek, same way mine was TOS and TNG reruns and DS9 S4/VOY S2!
Don't forget the fact there are plenty of new fans for which Star Trek Discovery was their first introduction to Star Trek.
(Yeah I know a bunch of TNG fans are screaming, "Impossible!"; in the same way some of us TOS fans were screaming, "Impossible!" back in 1987 when TNG premiered <--- yeah I know, no one could possibly like that pale imitation TNG over the original and classic Star Trek. Oh, wait...)
They'll change their minds...someday.
She has that spark in her eyes
That's the moon hitting her eyes.
Jeezus. How I felt reading this:
And no, I don't need anyone to explain to me how aging works and the fact that young people have grown up on the newest incarnations of Trek first. I'm aware. Just let me have my rhetorical "I'm getting old" moment.
I wasn't going to indulge your nonsense any further and derail the thread, but there are some specific accusations made here that need to be addressed:
- YOU are the only one attempting to "erase" Gooding Uhura's femininity here, not anyone else, so stop projecting your problems onto others.
- I haven't made any such comments about Chapel's "hotness" either on her own in another thread or in comparison to Uhura, so I don't know what the hell you are talking about, nor do I care. The only reason we have even felt it necessary to discuss the issue of appearance and femininity at all is because YOU have forced the issue to be discussed and have forced others to defend Gooding against your spurious and bigoted and sexist attacks, instead of just discussing the actress and the character on their own (non-superficial) merits.
- I don't think the blonde woman is the only or ideal definition or beauty and have said nothing of the sort, nor has that been the attitude of the people here, and I don't think Gooding or Uhura look masculine in the slightest (again, that was YOU saying that) or unattractive or that her looks are part of a conspiracy in order to erase her beauty in favor of the blonde woman, so kindly (but not really kindly) stop putting your shitty fucking outlook on life in other people's mouths.
- You're shocked that the comment sections of a YouTube video have an incredibly bad take on something? The first rule of the internet is don't read the YouTube comment sections. You'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. That means precisely jack shit in terms of real world discourse.
- You've been told to stop what you're doing by the admin, and yet you keep doubling down on your rhetoric. You've got to know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away, and know when to run. You're at the run stage. But you keep on holding 'em. Bad idea.
I'm not getting into the back-and-forth here over Gooding's Uhura depiction. But from what I have read, I do want to speak to the issue of Black hairstyles and how acceptance of them has been an issue in Hollywood and the overall society. Just this year, the United States Congress passed the CROWN Act to ban hair discrimination and hopefully that will help change negative perceptions and adverse economic actions for people who have less approved/Eurocentric hairstyles.
Even when it comes to Trek, I recall hearing about how the studio wouldn't let Avery Brooks wear his hair the way he wanted at first, and I've seen some discussion of Sonequa Martin-Green and her changing hairstyles. Every so often I might hear/read about Black actors (generally female) who have had issues with non-Blacks styling their hair, so I think questions raised about hairstyling and if the hairstylists on these projects are in synch with the Black actors, they are styling should not be dismissed out of hand. I'm not saying anyone here is doing that, from what I read, but I do want to make the point.
House passes Crown Act banning discrimination against Black hairstyles (yahoo.com)
Actresses cite lack of Hollywood stylists who 'get' black hair (nbcnews.com)
Hollywood’s Black Hair Problem on Set: “We’ve All Cried in Our Trailers” – The Hollywood Reporter
Uhura looks great, all versions of them do. I think the best Uhura was the one we never got to see, Ms Lupita Nyong'o. As for the fans who think SNW Uhura' hair looks 'too masculine' they need to stop drinking the kool aid of what is considered masculine and feminine beauty in our Western culture. (Put down the damn relaxer box)
Celia gives an update on the ''hair'' debate, guess word has reached her ear as well as the black feminity issue. I knew this topic wont go away so soon but i never expected the actress to address it.
I can understand her POV especially when this is a show she is part off but I disagree with some of what she said, as a person who is of African decent myself.
Also Celia, you are right that Nichelle and Zoe had long hair or wore wigs, but I would like to also say that many black women in africa by 90% have what we call long kinky hair that reached their back. they perm it or relax it or keep it natural via turning it to Afro.
Celia is coming from the right place as she is part of the show, however I am happy she is also aware of how seriously we take the black feminity issue and how we worry when we feel, it is been lost. I still dont like the look on her because i dont personally think it fits her face structure. However I hope she does bring the womanly grace the past actress did as she has promised.
Whitney Houston wore her natural hair in shoop video and that was the most beautiful she ever looked, whitney did not need a wig to look pretty.
so celia, yeah you are right that black women dont need wigs or long hair but at the same time, almost bald low cut is not the main look of how black women style their hair and I also want to see that get represented.
if SNW last for like 5 seasons, hopefully we see celia get the varied hairstyle of black women, especially the kinky straight relaxed style, as well as afro or even braids. which are the most popular style for black women both in africa and the usa.
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