No, no, no, no, no. God, I wish this silly rumor would go away.
From Meyer's memoir, years after the fact.
TUC: Overrated?
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No, no, no, no, no. God, I wish this silly rumor would go away.
From Meyer's memoir, years after the fact.
I always thought Spock was joking (in his Spock way) about it being a "Vulcan proverb".
And the Sherlock Holmes thing was a nod to a popular old fandom theory that perhaps Holmes and Spock were related. (Like Bill points out, Realists can substitute Doyle for Holmes.)
I'm loving all this 'from out of nowhere its been decided the VI FX were so so/cheap looking/slightly better than Vs' talk!
They were AMAZING at the time! (and still good now) they were one of the absolute highlights of the movie. VI was pretty much the 1st movie to benefit from the new groundbreaking T2 FX technology. Even non fans were impressed - I remember couple of people I knew at the time who weren't Trek fans (and often jibed me about being a trekkie) had seen it and said they were impressed by the film especially the cool FX
They were AMAZING at the time! (and still good now) they were one of the absolute highlights of the movie. VI was pretty much the 1st movie to benefit from the new groundbreaking T2 FX technology. Even non fans were impressed - I remember couple of people I knew at the time who weren't Trek fans (and often jibed me about being a trekkie) had seen it and said they were impressed by the film especially the cool FX
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No, they were a lot better than STV. STNG's FX were better than STV.
I personally thought the FX in TUC were very impressive. The whole Praxis explosion and Sulu's ship trying to get through the shockwave were done well, the aliens were great especially Mr Genital Knees, the morphing was really good for the time especially when that sort of effect was just getting on the ground at that time, the dramatic turn around of the Klingon ship after being hit, the zero G assassination scene, the floating blood, the final battle with the Bird of Prey just slightly being visible from the highlights from its shots, the character designs of the Klingons..... In all honesty, I haven't seen a TOS movie even come close to the grandiose attempt in 6.
TMP sure tried and so did TWOK, but they relied more on dramatic close up model shots than anything else..... 6 tried to do everything and pulled it off quite well imo.
TMP sure tried and so did TWOK, but they relied more on dramatic close up model shots than anything else..... 6 tried to do everything and pulled it off quite well imo.
Outside of the helm console, the handrails and a few ancillary pieces here and there, the TFF bridge was brand-new.
Totally agree. TMP was bigger in scope and ambition, but it's budget was larger for the time, and it's also a little unfair to compare a film made in 1979 to one made in 1991.
Look back to 2003 and the 'Burly Brawl' in The Matrix Reloaded - this was seen as a groundbreaking sequence at the time - a mere 11 years later and It's the norm for console games, let alone movies.
I think the effects on TUC still hold up extremely well today.
No, no, no, no, no. God, I wish this silly rumor would go away.
From Meyer's memoir, years after the fact.
Someone needs to let IMDB know then
Thanks for the quote
I always attributed it to the slo-mo degredation effects often found in video games when too much was going on on screen.
But yeah, back then I remember that was the biggest complaint of the movie graphically, that it really took the audience out of it.
To be fair I was never convinced by it either, but it's a good example of how far FX have come in a relatively short space of time
I don't mind the color of the blood as much as the fact that phasers are making bleeding wounds in the first place. When has that ever happened before or since?
Yeah I forgot to bring that issue up too lol.... Set phasers to stab!
Then again, maybe it's something that happens in zero G, where gravity usually keeps everything inside. *shrugs*
In the novel, they are actually illegal disruptor weapons that are designed to cause bleeding...somehow. However, obviously not well explained in the film so YMMV
I still think the anti-grav stuff looks pretty cool, as well as the holes being blown in to Enterprise in the final battle.
I wouldn't go that far, but I do think they're excellent in the main.
Not in the least. Tell of any particular shot in TUC that had anywhere as much detail and was as real looking as the Enterprise arriving and being stolen from spacedock. Or when the Enterprise approached genesis with the haunting music playing foreshadowing what was going to happen or the destruction of the Enterprise. When the bird of prey exploded in TUC it looked like a model exploding.
Go back and look at the shots. II and III had many different and creative angels of the Enterprise and Reliant where as in TUC, with a couple of exceptions most shots of the ships were your pretty standard three quarters shots of the ship flying towards the camera.
You wanna say "Well the assasiantion was awesome" Well guess what II or III had no scene in like it to compare to so I don't know how you can say the effects were better in TUC based on a scene that had no direct counterpart.
All I can compare them off is what they shared most in common and that was the space scenes and in II and III I felt for the most part the detail, camera angles and general appearance made me feel like I was looking at real live starships. Where in TUC I felt like "Well it's ok, but doesn't really make me feel like they're real." Considering TUC had a decade advantage as well they don't even come close.
Every single shot of the Enterprise in TUC vs the opening one in TSFS, absolutely no contest, the enterprise looks dreadful in that shot like it's being artificially lit (which it is) but very badly. Look at TMP, when the big E is approaching Vger. That's how to light that ship.
The enterprise at warp in TUC vs TSFS, again, the shot in the 3rd movie when it warps away from space dock looks ridiculous - a poorly angled cheap optical effect just pasted over the ship. The klingon cruiser in TUC looked awesome - and as big a fan of TMP that I am - you can clearly see they are superimposed over the Vger cloud.
The Enterprise approaching/leaving Space Dock and Genesis are both superb and the self destruct is good also, but they are the only effects in TSFS that are decent in my opinion. I think they are quite patchy.
The FX in TUC are consistently good throughout in my view.
The enterprise at warp in TUC vs TSFS, again, the shot in the 3rd movie when it warps away from space dock looks ridiculous - a poorly angled cheap optical effect just pasted over the ship. The klingon cruiser in TUC looked awesome - and as big a fan of TMP that I am - you can clearly see they are superimposed over the Vger cloud.
The Enterprise approaching/leaving Space Dock and Genesis are both superb and the self destruct is good also, but they are the only effects in TSFS that are decent in my opinion. I think they are quite patchy.
The FX in TUC are consistently good throughout in my view.
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