Spoilers The new (massive spoiler) ship!

[Tuskin38]

It was from a future where the Sphere Builders were not defeated in the 22nd century.

The Sphere builders went back to the 22nd Century because they were defeated in the 26th.

Or at the very least they accelerated their plans in the 22nd because of their 26th century defeat.

Either way, Daniels said their manipulation of the Xindi to attack Earth was because they saw the battle where the Federation defeated them.

The J was from the actual future not an alternate universe or “possible” future.

No, it was a possible future. It changed when the Sphere Builders accelerated their plans in the 22nd Century after witnessing the Battle of Procyon.

That's not to say the Ent-J couldn't still exist as it appeared in ENT, we just have no evidence that it does.

 

[Dukhat]

The Sphere builders went back to the 22nd Century because they were defeated in the 26th.

Or at the very least they accelerated their plans in the 22nd because of their 26th century defeat.

Either way, Daniels said their manipulation of the Xindi to attack Earth was because they saw the battle where the Federation defeated them.

Daniels states that the Xindi attack on Earth wasn't supposed to happen (according to his frame of reference.) He then takes Archer to the 26th century (from his frame of reference) to witness the battle. So that would technically mean that Daniels wasn't from the prime timeline, but rather a timeline where the Ent-J existed in the 26th century and fought the Sphere Builders, and the Xindi didn't attack Earth in the 22nd century. So that would also mean that the Federation would not be engaged in a battle in the 26th century in the prime timeline, and the Ent-J would either not exist or exist in some other form.

 

[Paul755]

I thought the battle the J was in when Archer visited was their last gasp. The reason they did what they did was to ensure victory in that battle.

 

[Dukhat]

But just the fact that Archer defeated the Sphere Builders in the 22nd century means that the future of the prime universe will not unfold like how Daniels showed him. It's just like how Nero's actions split the timeline in the Abrams films, only Nero came from the prime timeline and Daniels didn't.

 

[RuleofAcuisition17]

This is why I hate Time Travel.

 

[UssGlenn]

But just the fact that Archer defeated the Sphere Builders in the 22nd century means that the future of the prime universe will not unfold like how Daniels showed him. It's just like how Nero's actions split the timeline in the Abrams films.

Exactly, the Delphic Expanse and its trans-dimensional disturbance no longer even exists after the events of Enterprise, so there is no place for that battle to happen as seen.

 

[JoseNoodles]

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I don't like this new streaming Star Trek. All that violence and explosions. Old Star Trek was never like that!

 

[valkyrie013]

Yet there are Prometheus classes in the 26th century.. Long lived!

 

[Dukhat]

Yet there are Prometheus classes in the 26th century.. Long lived!

Novas and Vor'chas too. But only in that alternate timeline

 

[Tuskin38]

Also a Dauntless.

STO tried to explain that as people from other timelines being recruited to help fight.

 

[Macintosh]

The J was from an alternate universe. So it doesn't count.

I guess that would explain how an allegedly 26th century ship is both far larger and more advanced than anything Discovery's 32nd century has shown us

 

[Dukhat]

You really can’t judge how advanced a ship is by its size, though. The Intrepid class is more advanced than the Galaxy class but it is smaller.

 

[NCC-73515]

Having barely gotten to know the XCV-330, 1701-B, and 1701-C either, I'm fine with not seeing much of the F. Some beauty shots are great, but so is the new Titan.

 

[mattman8907]

I'm still of the notion that they're only decommissioning it so they can focus on repairing the critical systems, and then relaunching it. Similar to how in Discovery, The Enterprise suffered a critical systems error due to the Holographic communication systems. They towed it back to Spacedock, worked on repairs and then bam they were back in action. I also like to point out that the original Enterprise was only twelve years old at the time (2257) so it wouldn't make sense for them to decommission a 12 year old ship with systems failure only to do it a 150 years later with the Enterprise-F.

 

[Dukhat]

I'm still of the notion that they're only decommissioning it so they can focus on repairing the critical systems, and then relaunching it. Similar to how in Discovery, The Enterprise suffered a critical systems error due to the Holographic communication systems. They towed it back to Spacedock, worked on repairs and then bam they were back in action. I also like to point out that the original Enterprise was only twelve years old at the time (2257) so it wouldn't make sense for them to decommission a 12 year old ship with systems failure only to do it a 150 years later with the Enterprise-F.

That’s not what ‘decommissioning’ means in the Star Trek universe.

 

[mattman8907]

That’s not what ‘decommissioning’ means in the Star Trek universe.

fine you're right i'm wrong.

 

[Dukhat]

fine you're right i'm wrong.

It wasn’t a right-or-wrong contest.

 

[mattman8907]

It wasn’t a right-or-wrong contest.

All I'm saying is that I got the definition wrong that's all.

 

[Dukhat]

And all I’m saying is don’t take it personal

 

[David cgc]

That’s not what ‘decommissioning’ means in the Star Trek universe.

Well, there was ST09, where they kept saying Spock "resigned commission" when they meant "was relieved of duty."