Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[Yistaan]

Leila Kalomi: I love you. I said that six years ago, and I can't seem to stop repeating myself. On Earth, you couldn't give anything of yourself. You couldn't even put your arms around me. We couldn't have anything together there. We couldn't have anything together anyplace else. We're happy here. (crying) I can't lose you now, Mister Spock. I can't.

Spock: I have a responsibility to this ship, to that man on the Bridge.

Uhura: Except that's not true Spock. You gave Leila the cold shoulder 6 years ago on Earth because she couldn't compete with either T'Pring or Christine Chapel who dumped you. I know, I was there at the time and--

Spock:

Leila:

 

[Hythlodeus]

While Ricardo Montalban was of course Mexican, it should be noted that both his parents were from Spain, so he was 100% white - making the "brownface" that much worse.

I...uh...how do I put it...intellectually I get that in the US ethnicities and skin colours are still discussed in a very 30s/40s state of science, but, how the ever loving fuck does the nationality of his parents change his skin colour and worsens brown face?

 

[Tuskin38]

And they were still doing it during TNG. The primary actor who played child Alexander, Brian Bonsal, also had his face darkened with makeup.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Didn’t they do that with most of the actors who played Klingons who weren’t white?

 

[Marie Nomad]

Any ideas on how SNW will explain why Admiral April changed so much physically to match the Animated Show? I was thinking that he suffered a freak accident and ended up stuck that way.

The Animated Star Trek show is canon according to Lower Decks. And this is Star Trek where freak accidents happen a lot.

 

[HotRod]

Any ideas on how SNW will explain why Admiral April changed so much physically to match the Animated Show? I was thinking that he suffered a freak accident and ended up stuck that way.

They won't explain anything. Nor should they. Robert April is black, end of story. Not everything needs an explanation.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

The way I look at it, TAS was out of canon for so long, with later shows acting like it didn't exist, that it's in a unique position of semi-canon. If Lower Decks says something in an episode happened, then that definitely happened. If another show contradicts it (like with Robert April), then that part didn't happen. Everything else... follow your heart.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Melanin production wasn't among the many effects of aging reversed.

 

[Yistaan]

Any ideas on how SNW will explain why Admiral April changed so much physically to match the Animated Show? I was thinking that he suffered a freak accident and ended up stuck that way.

The Animated Star Trek show is canon according to Lower Decks. And this is Star Trek where freak accidents happen a lot.

There's 2 possible explanations. The first is provided by Lower Decks series finale itself--

Spoiler

There's a multiverse and TAS Counterclock Incident simply takes place in a universe where Robert April is white

The other explanation is that we now know that temporal wars delayed the Eugenics Wars by at least 40 years. Space Seed and Wrath of Khan now take place in the obsolete timeline where the wars took place in the 1990s.

How can all humans be genetically the same after a 40 year time difference in an international war? Maybe they weren't--Robert April was white in the 1990s Eugenics Wars timeline, and black in the final timeline (due to differing ancestors as a result in the change of the war's timeframe). Thus we can say that Counter-Clock Incident, like Space Seed and Wrath of Khan, are holdovers from the obsolete timeline (and like Space Seed and Wrath of Khan, all other aspects of the story are the same except for the minor detail altered--mention of the 1990s Eugenics Wars.for SS and WoK, a different race for April in the TAS episode).

 

[fireproof78]

Any ideas on how SNW will explain why Admiral April changed so much physically to match the Animated Show? I was thinking that he suffered a freak accident and ended up stuck that way.

The Animated Star Trek show is canon according to Lower Decks. And this is Star Trek where freak accidents happen a lot.

TAS is an in universe production of Kirk's logs and got details wrong.

The Bonaventure is from another timeline.

Temporal shenanigans result in April's birth being pushed off, with a different genotype and phenotype presentation.

 

[cooleddie74]

Or....it's animation produced on a budget in 1973 and 1974 and we just ignore the goofier visual details that don't jibe with everything else.

 

[fireproof78]

Or....it's animation produced on a budget in 1973 and 1974 and we just ignore the goofier visual details that don't jibe with everything else.

Sure if you want to take the easy way...

 

[Turtletrekker]

Mike McMahon once said that certain events on Lower Decks were exaggerated for comedic effect because the show was first and foremost a comedy and not a history lesson. I think we can take a similar attitude towards the original animated series. The events happened in broad strokes, but not every detail is precisely accurate.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Any ideas on how SNW will explain why Admiral April changed so much physically to match the Animated Show? I was thinking that he suffered a freak accident and ended up stuck that way.

The Animated Star Trek show is canon according to Lower Decks. And this is Star Trek where freak accidents happen a lot.

First they need to explain how Kirsty Ally changed into Robin Curtis.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Or....it's animation produced on a budget in 1973 and 1974 and we just ignore the goofier visual details that don't jibe with everything else.

Blue Orions!

 

[cooleddie74]

My favorite Nabisco sandwich cookies!

 

[Yistaan]

There was actually an attempted Borg invasion as early as the 2260s. The Borg tried to assimilate Robert April, however all they did was turn his skin irreversibly pale before a last minute rescue and surgery prevented full assimilation. Desperate to prevent a panic, the entire 23rd century Borg incident was covered up, April's change of appearance blamed on a freak mutagenic radiation accident, and that's how we get his TAS look.

 

[137th Gebirg]

I thought it was Oreeans.

Or maybe they were members of the O’ryans who were Presever-displaced Irish people.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

My explanation for April requires the least hand-waving.

 

[Nerys Myk]

My explanation for April requires the least hand-waving.

It's a TV show and they recast requires zero hand waving.