Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[valden]

As long as the ratings are good enough to get a show renewed, the ratings are high enough.

Not necessarily all the time thanks to today streaming. Some show are given

No they don’t. Paramount has chosen not to. Entitled fans don’t get to make that demand.



First run, that’s correct. Much later, they broadcast the entire first season. The numbers were low… BUT By that point, it’s more than likely those who wanted to watch it had watched it.



Pure speculation.



I’ve seen quite a few shows release first episodes on YouTube. I just watched part one of a new docuseries on Star Wars from Vice (I think that was the channel, anyway.)



I’m not even sure I’d call Sir Patrick an A list actor now, certainly not at the time TNG was on the air.

And you continue to talk about all of this like it makes a big difference that modern Trek likely doesn’t have the best ratings ever. Most of us are fine if it’s not and if it ends then we’re fine with that too. The ratings aren’t going to affect our enjoyment.



Again, what does it matter? How will releasing the ratings affect your opinions on the show? I bet it won’t. You’ll continue to dislike it and that’s perfectly okay. The only thing that matters is: the numbers are good enough for the execs at Paramount+ to keep making more Trek.

1. Fans are not really entitled even if they have every right to be. viewership discussion has been part of the tv business.

2. It is not pure speculation, since no one talks much about SNW in the bigger media world. when you see a news about it , is planted by paramount. I can bet a billion that SNW did not have up to 4 million viewers to discovery 9 million. discovery did get some strong media attention but it faded away with time.

3.LOL, Doc on star wars, However Disney would never put any star wars show episode on yoututbe. they dont need to.

4. Stewart was an a list actor back then. Note I did not say big movie star I said a-list actor. He and Levar Burton were the big name actors on the show, Burton getting big fame from Roots. But TNG had big ratings, sometimes up to 27 million, howver TNG had the writing quality. SNW does not.

5. Yes discovery aired on tv and the ratings were low but the excuse that people have already seen it on streaming was not a good enough excuse since discovery was been beaten by passed re-runs of old shows. a new show should have done better even if it had already aired on streaming. discovery was low in ratings because the show is not that great, same with SNW but paramount need to keep a positive momentum at any cost so they will not risk it airing SNW on tv where maybe an independent source can reveal the real ratings.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Have you ever heard the terms "PR speak" or "Spin"?

No charts are required. Just paying attention to language.

A)


Why don't they say what show was the previous record holder?
Because it was Star Trek Prodigy.
Strange New Worlds is the second Star Trek debut on Paramount Plus.
Of course, Strange New Worlds has a bigger debut than Prodigy. Big surprise.

B)


"one of the top two"

It's not number one. They want to avoid saying "second place". Pure spin.

Halo is the number one "Paramount+ original" show in the UK.
Keep in mind, in the last 3 months Paramount Plus has released only 2 high-budget "prestige television" shows that count as "Paramount+ original": Halo and Strange New Worlds.

Forget all of your Canadian chart sharts and reading the Earl Grey Tea leaves to see if shows are cancelled or not. Answer this:

Have you actually seen Strange New Worlds?* On what streaming platform? What were your favorite and least favorite episodes, in your own words, using detailed descriptions? No cribbing from YouTube videos or online articles, or citing dubious ratings statistics. Give your own opinion for once.

Because if you haven't seen any of the episodes, than this is nothing more than trolling and spamming doom and gloom to get on people's nerves.

* The same question could be asked about Picard, Prodigy, Lower Decks, or Discovery.

 

[GNDN18]

And go-cart Mozart was checkin' out the weather chart

To see if it was safe outside

 

[GNDN18]

Forget all of your Canadian chart sharts and reading the Earl Grey Tea leaves to see if shows are cancelled or not. Answer this:

Have you actually seen Strange New Worlds?* On what streaming platform? What were your favorite and least favorite episodes, in your own words, using detailed descriptions? No cribbing from YouTube videos or online articles, or citing dubious ratings statistics. Give your own opinion for once.

Because if you haven't seen any of the episodes, than this is nothing more than trolling and spamming doom and gloom to get on people's nerves.

* The same question could be asked about Picard, Prodigy, Lower Decks, or Discovery.

 

[cooleddie74]

This thread is going clean off the charts!


Too soon?

 

[Rincewiend]

Release something free on YouTube is more about desperation since YouTube does not even allow full episodes of many done and over shows from the 90s.

Because of copyright...
If Paramount decided to upload all of TNG or DS9 on their own channel it would be fine.
NBC has an official Columbo youtube channel for instance where they upload scenes from the show...

 

[137th Gebirg]

Many low rating shows get renewed. I don't need to know discovery does not have high ratings I can tell by its lack of presence in pop culture. discovery still got renewed.

Not the ones that cost over $8 million per episode to produce, they don't.

... making the show [Star Trek Discovery] one of the most expensive in television history.

No corporation will continue to take THAT massive a bath on something that doesn't generate a reasonable level of revenue. They don't do sunk cost fallacy, either. None of these are viable business models. And since we don't know any REAL numbers of how any Trek shows are doing on P+ (despite some specious Canadian charts that may indicate the contrary - but really don't) please call this exactly what it is, which is personal conjecture of opinion under the pretense of fact.

 

[fireproof78]

Again, what does it matter? How will releasing the ratings affect your opinions on the show? I bet it won’t. You’ll continue to dislike it and that’s perfectly okay. The only thing that matters is: the numbers are good enough for the execs at Paramount+ to keep making more Trek.

Exactly.

1. Fans are not really entitled even if they have every right to be. viewership discussion has been part of the tv business.

Fans are not entitled to private business details.

but really don't) please call this exactly what it is, which is personal conjecture of opinion under the pretense of fact.

More like personal wish for a show to fail under the pretense of fact.

 

[XCV330]

                (r2 − r1)          (r2 − r1)
m1r1 = α____________   and m2r = α__________
                  |r1 − r2|3           |r1 − r2|3

if we employ Dr A.H. Thripshaw's formula for the deterministic value of entertainment proto-cromulence, we can see here that
α = Gm1m2 measures the strength in numitrons between the claimed value of viewership and the number of times per hour they get up to go to the bathroom, do something else, or switch to Mannix. This is an older formula, and since then all programs are logically assumed to be Mannix, whereas a theta intrusion into the mix would mean a reboot or reruns of Then Game Bronson or Manimal, which television scientists have worked repeatedly to prevent from occuring.

The α value may be substituted for Canukitroids north of the 49th parallel in the western hemisphere, where magnetic duractance and the transmitting power of the CN tower hold sway, however it should not be attempted in timezones east of Atlantic Standard Time as the volumetric constant would lead to sinusoidal deplenation and proof-negative that persons living Medicine Hat did not like, as was previously thought, reruns of Night Heat.

Or as they say in Yellow Knife, "Tᐦᐃᐢ ᐃᐢ ᖧ ᒧᐢᐟ Cᐊᓇdᐃᐊᐣ ᖨᐣg ᐁvᐁᕒ ᐤᕒᐃᐟᑌᐣ᙮ " But we have all been there, I daresay.

However a closer look at the equation reveals a problem. While Canadian broadcast values and the results of obsessive non-objective datamining may provide a value for r2, and thus a stable, elastic system with known parameters into the second progression, and this of course follows standard Newtonian, relativistic and Golden Globe nominee scientist Lee Marvin predicted results according to the respective theoretical work taken by the US Bureau of Standards during the Light Entertainment Conflict of 1947-1969. There were many mistakes made in this attempt along the way, some of them catastrophic resulting in the removal of the Dumont network in this and most other timelines, and the introduction of the Beverly Hillbillies as a comedy show and not the docu-drama that would have caused much needed societal change that cultminated in Max Baer's successful presidency 1976-1992 and the subsequent elimination of nuclear weapons and poverty.

While the formula can handle one show with relative ease, the addition of tie-ins and spin-offs creates a chaotic orbital pattern known alternately as the Three Body Problem or the Archie Bunker Universe where the predisposition of the viewership is inverse to the mental-intestinal discharge of ardent fans. This situation was barely avoided by Star Trek in the 90s by the staggering of series, but the current situation at Paramount Plus has left the current situation for chart-prognosticators and dowsing rod enthusiasts without hope or clue.

 

[Campe]

1. Fans are not really entitled even if they have every right to be. viewership discussion has been part of the tv business.

That's exactly the definition of entitlement. It still doesn't really matter if the show is renewed.

2. It is not pure speculation, since no one talks much about SNW in the bigger media world. when you see a news about it , is planted by paramount. I can bet a billion that SNW did not have up to 4 million viewers to discovery 9 million. discovery did get some strong media attention but it faded away with time.

That's not only speculation, that's conspiracy theory talk. And it still doesn't matter.

3.LOL, Doc on star wars, However Disney would never put any star wars show episode on yoututbe. they dont need to.

You're right. They don't. Disney+ has 152.1 million subscribers. Paramount+ shares 62 million subscribers with Showtime. Paramount+ is not obligated to provide you the exact details. Comparing the viewership of The Mandalorian with that of Strange New Worlds really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

And the doc was actually pretty fascinating. Not enough to make me subscribe to whatever channel it was but still interesting.

4. Stewart was an a list actor back then. Note I did not say big movie star I said a-list actor. He and Levar Burton were the big name actors on the show, Burton getting big fame from Roots. But TNG had big ratings, sometimes up to 27 million, howver TNG had the writing quality. SNW does not.

Stewart and Burton did not command the salaries of say a Jerry Seinfeld or a Tim Allen at that time. They were on a syndicated program, that was yes, popular, but I'd say at most Stewart was a B+ celebrity as TNG ended into the movies and the X-Men films. According to some sources (with no attribution I can see so I can't truly verify it), the 27 million number was for the pilot episode. Other sources suggest that All Good Things peaked over 30 million. But typically, and this is the important part, it peaked otherwise in the 5th season with 11.5 million viewers. Good numbers for sure then. I don't deny that. But its a different time.

5. Yes discovery aired on tv and the ratings were low but the excuse that people have already seen it on streaming was not a good enough excuse since discovery was been beaten by passed re-runs of old shows. a new show should have done better even if it had already aired on streaming. discovery was low in ratings because the show is not that great, same with SNW but paramount need to keep a positive momentum at any cost so they will not risk it airing SNW on tv where maybe an independent source can reveal the real ratings.

Okay. You keep waiting on that.

 

[Noname Given]

4. Stewart was an a list actor back then. Note I did not say big movie star I said a-list actor. He and Levar Burton were the big name actors on the show, Burton getting big fame from Roots.

^^^
Yeah, no. Patrick Stewart was virtually UNKNOWN in the U.S. in 1987 by general audiences. Genre audiences knew him from his cameo role of Gurney Halleck in 1984's DUNE film adaptation; and maybe a subset of U.S. PBS viewers knew him from "I Claudius"; but the latter was what he was most known for at the time, even un the U.K. 'Picard' was the role that upped his stature from B list to minor A list; although is was his role a Professor X in the FOX X-Men films that really made him a 'known' actor.

As for Levar Burton, again, in 1987, he was also B-list as Roots was a decade ago on TV at that point and his acting career was still somewhat low key. That's not a put down by the way as the man is really intelligent and made the most of what fame he got - and he should be absolutely applauded for what he did with his Reading Rainbow series.

But yeah, in the end TNG launched with mostly B list main talent (and at the time, Levar Burton was seen by some as 'stunt casting' BECAUSE some Entertainment News outlets would in fact play up his Roots connection.)

But TNG had big ratings, sometimes up to 27 million, however TNG had the writing quality.

TNG also had the advantage of being the first live action revival of Star Trek on weekly TV in 18 years. And there were many Star Trek fans really desperate at the time for it to succeed because they knew if it failed, Star Trek was dead, and wouldn't see future revivals. Many watched it IN SPITE of the TERRIBLE writing of its first season, not because of it.

SNW does not.

Funny, most entertainment outlet critics and fans praise the writing of SNW's first season. And given that SNW is the 8th live action Star Trek series (I'm not counting TAS, LD, or Prodigy here); that fact that both fans and the general audiences have responded so well (shown by the fact that Paramount+'s subscriber base is increasing while many others including NETFLIX are LOSING subscribers and slashing their new production slates.)

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Ugh. Never mind.

 

[Tuskin38]

Yes good spot. They have released only 2

4. paramount+ is CBS All Access, so they've released 4.

 

[Mudd]

Stewart was an a list actor back then.

No, he was not. You're wrong again.

 

[Maurice]

There is nothing wrong with good pr. Every show needs it. I remember any shows in the 90s and 00s that had low ratings and they still got good pr with words like the teen demo was high. Paramount plus need to release actual viewership for each episode or shall I say an independent source need to release actual viewership number of snw episode. I think we had one for episode 1 of discovery when it had 9 million viewers for its episodes debut. I doubt snw is close to that numbers. If it was paramount plus would not have had to release episode 1 free on YouTube. Release something free on YouTube is more about desperation since YouTube does not even allow full episodes of many done and over shows from the 90s. Also the show barely gets mainstream coverage compared to MCU and star wars or even the boys. It is understandable to see snw hyped by paramount however the show seems to has very little presence outside what paramount says. If you were to ask the average pop culture viewer who are the modern kirk and spock. They will likely tell you chris pine and Zachary quinto and may have never heard of ethan peck or Paul Wesley. Whereas this Same pop culture fans can probably name all the actors from a show like stranger things or moon Knight. Star trek was always more cult. Tos did get cancelled due to low ratings. Tng was their only big mainstream show but with Tng. Many watched it because it was mature and intellectual and Patrick Stewart was an a list actor. Snw is more like a cw show and cw did have good ratings in some way however in the larger world of tv cw ratings were bad. I do think this is how snw matches up to other shows like stranger things. Thus why paramount will never ever relaese actual veiweship number but keep the story more as people are subscribing to us because we have a new show like snw.

Many low rating shows get renewed. I don't need to know discovery does not have high ratings I can tell by its lack of presence in pop culture. discovery still got renewed. What I will say was very noticeable was how discovery quality in terms of budjet declined fast. Discovery started off almost movie quality then by season 3 and 4 it became very cheap empty low budjet warehouse looking. That was a sign paramount had stop spending big money on it and they will not do that if the show had very high ratings. Snw will likely go the same route as discovery. I must add that discovery did look more movie quality budjet to snw. One thing I also noticed with snw is that paramount plus keeps having media articles that reports on what paramount says. That is how good pr spin works. They are the ones planting the stories in the media .It is not investigative journalism which is why we will never see real viewership numbers of each episode of snw. The little we saw from Canada show quite poor ratings for snw and as I said if a show ratings were great you don't need to upload it for free on freaking YouTube.

Here, you forgot these. ¶ ¶ ¶ ¶

 

[137th Gebirg]

1. Fans are not really entitled even if they have every right to be. viewership discussion has been part of the tv business.

 

[Tuskin38]

Designing the sets
https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/star-t...the-whales-on-more-enterprise-design-secrets/

 

[fireproof78]

Designing the sets
https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/star-t...the-whales-on-more-enterprise-design-secrets/

Thank you for sharing. Good read, and I like the nautical influences, including the sextant in Pike's quarters. It's a nice touch.

Transporter room still looks too busy.

 

[Argosy]

Gosh, Pikes little model of the Enterprise has some serious nacelle droop. Is there no hope for model kits even in the 23rd century?

 

[dupersuper]

Not necessarily all the time thanks to today streaming.

Good enough ratings to stay on the air aren't necessarily good enough ratings to stay on the air for shows that are staying on the air because in the age of streaming the shows that have good enough ratings to stay on the air as evidenced by their being on the air and renewed to return to air...actually don't?

Some show are given

...Huh?