Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

And Canada weeps.

 

Are you forgetting Lower Decks and Discovery?
Paramount+ is CBS All Access with a new name remember.

The article also doesn't specify just 'on Paramount+' it just says Streaming debut.

 

Can you point to where in the story it says that Kurtzman’s been fired?

 

Many times.

So what? Having utterly failed to present real evidence or a cogent argument, are you going to proceed now by randomly flinging buzzwords with bad or no context?

 

In the end who cares where any Star Trek series is in relation to another?

The only thing that matters to me is:

Is the show successful enough in the eyes of the Paramount suits to continue production past its second season.

The same goes for the rest of the new Star Trek series on Paramount Plus. I don't care if it's the most popular Star Trek ever made; all I know is that I enjoy watching it and as long as it's doing well enough that they decide to make more episodes, I'll be a contented Star Trek fan.

I'm sick of people like you and the various YouTubers who just do nothing but nitpick every single aspect of all the new Star Trek series, in an attempt to somehow demean the work of the various writers, actors, and production crews that are just out to make something that they feel is entertaining.

It's amazing how history repeats itself with every single new iteration of Star Trek since the original 1966 series premiered. I've been watching Star Trek first run since 1969 (at age 6); so yeah just spare me all the " this isn't 'real' Star Trek /It's not gaining new fans and nobody likes it..." bullshit.

After all these Star Trek series end their run, and Paramount decides to rest the franchise again for 4 to 5 years (FYI that's been the average time between the end of one major Star Trek project in the beginning of another); you'll have fans holding up Kurtzman Trek as the example of 'real" Star Trek and demonizing the producers of whatever version of Trek comes after.

And guess what? You don't need to like all of it. Personally I can't stand Star Trek Voyager, and have not watched much of it past the first season (I gave it one full season to grab me in some way, but it didn't), but I don't go crusading against the fans that do and then attempt to make them agree with my position, (although I do throw some shade at it from time to time, if someone brings it up in a comparison to something I like.)

So you don't like the current version of Star Trek. That doesn't mean you can't watch the other 700 Plus hours of Star Trek made in the last 50+ years, as it's all still available for you to watch and enjoy you like.

I'll never understand people like you who seem to enjoy dismissing what other people enjoy instead of just watching what you enjoy.

Nothing's perfect, and it's okay to criticize; but when you get to the point of trying to push conspiracy theories that Paramount Plus is just propping up current Star Trek even though they know it's failing (it's not, but I'm just going with your hypothetical); and they're willing to continue to throw large sums of money away just because some execs don't want to be embarrassed publicly.
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And if that hypothetical sounds crazy to someone reading this post, it should, because it is. No major corporation throws that kind of money around at a project that is a known loser.

And right now, Alex Kurtzman's version of Star Trek is quite profitable for Paramount, and is also providing a fair amount of prestige to the Paramount Plus streaming service. <--- and that's not a hypothetical as it's being reported by many independent entertainment news outlets.

So yeah, do us all a favor and just move on and go watch something you enjoy and let us enjoy what we like.

 

There is nothing wrong with good pr. Every show needs it. I remember any shows in the 90s and 00s that had low ratings and they still got good pr with words like the teen demo was high. Paramount plus need to release actual viewership for each episode or shall I say an independent source need to release actual viewership number of snw episode. I think we had one for episode 1 of discovery when it had 9 million viewers for its episodes debut. I doubt snw is close to that numbers. If it was paramount plus would not have had to release episode 1 free on YouTube. Release something free on YouTube is more about desperation since YouTube does not even allow full episodes of many done and over shows from the 90s. Also the show barely gets mainstream coverage compared to MCU and star wars or even the boys. It is understandable to see snw hyped by paramount however the show seems to has very little presence outside what paramount says. If you were to ask the average pop culture viewer who are the modern kirk and spock. They will likely tell you chris pine and Zachary quinto and may have never heard of ethan peck or Paul Wesley. Whereas this Same pop culture fans can probably name all the actors from a show like stranger things or moon Knight. Star trek was always more cult. Tos did get cancelled due to low ratings. Tng was their only big mainstream show but with Tng. Many watched it because it was mature and intellectual and Patrick Stewart was an a list actor. Snw is more like a cw show and cw did have good ratings in some way however in the larger world of tv cw ratings were bad. I do think this is how snw matches up to other shows like stranger things. Thus why paramount will never ever relaese actual veiweship number but keep the story more as people are subscribing to us because we have a new show like snw.

 

So i also notice paramount mostly keeps comparing it to other trek shows. Those are red flags already in general overall rating. A far cry from the power house of Disney plus comparing their shows ratings to netflix.

 

Yet they keep renewing them...strange...

 

Many low rating shows get renewed. I don't need to know discovery does not have high ratings I can tell by its lack of presence in pop culture. discovery still got renewed. What I will say was very noticeable was how discovery quality in terms of budjet declined fast. Discovery started off almost movie quality then by season 3 and 4 it became very cheap empty low budjet warehouse looking. That was a sign paramount had stop spending big money on it and they will not do that if the show had very high ratings. Snw will likely go the same route as discovery. I must add that discovery did look more movie quality budjet to snw. One thing I also noticed with snw is that paramount plus keeps having media articles that reports on what paramount says. That is how good pr spin works. They are the ones planting the stories in the media .It is not investigative journalism which is why we will never see real viewership numbers of each episode of snw. The little we saw from Canada show quite poor ratings for snw and as I said if a show ratings were great you don't need to upload it for free on freaking YouTube.

 

As long as the ratings are good enough to get a show renewed, the ratings are high enough.

 

We get more SNW, Disco, Prodigy and the rest. That's a win for the fans of the show, no amount of charts are gonna change that.

 

Yes good spot. They have released only 2 so how can they say snw is one of the top 2.lol. Like they have a choice. I doubt snw averages more than 1 million viewers per episode. I think I will guess each episode has about 700k per episode or less. Whereas if I was to guess for a show like mandolrean on Disney plus I will say about 5 million viewers per episode and we know baby yoda was such a global break out star. So we knew people watched that and not because it is star wars. Data was a breakout star in the early 90s when tng was on.

 

Yes but we are not talking about fans thought.

 

What else actually matters?

 

Charts. Always charts.

 

No they don’t. Paramount has chosen not to. Entitled fans don’t get to make that demand.

First run, that’s correct. Much later, they broadcast the entire first season. The numbers were low… BUT By that point, it’s more than likely those who wanted to watch it had watched it.

Pure speculation.

I’ve seen quite a few shows release first episodes on YouTube. I just watched part one of a new docuseries on Star Wars from Vice (I think that was the channel, anyway.)

I’m not even sure I’d call Sir Patrick an A list actor now, certainly not at the time TNG was on the air.

And you continue to talk about all of this like it makes a big difference that modern Trek likely doesn’t have the best ratings ever. Most of us are fine if it’s not and if it ends then we’re fine with that too. The ratings aren’t going to affect our enjoyment.

Again, what does it matter? How will releasing the ratings affect your opinions on the show? I bet it won’t. You’ll continue to dislike it and that’s perfectly okay. The only thing that matters is: the numbers are good enough for the execs at Paramount+ to keep making more Trek.