• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

As someone who is on the VFX team for more than one of these shows, and has designed and worked on shots discussed here in this very forum the last word I would use to describe the people I work with is lazy. We aren't up at 2am working on this stuff to be called that, and it's an incredibly dedicated group of artists and technicians.

Real world production constraints/budget/time is a thing. Everyone does the best they can to get as good of a product out in the time given.

It really is something you learn to compartmentalize when you end up in this industry and working on a show you love. There is the time to be a fan, and there is a time to get the darn thing done.
Well I’m not sure if I quite believe you or not, but I have seen your username around before and you seem genuine enough.

My apologies for calling anybody lazy regardless, I would never intentionally want to insult anyone, especially if they did in deed work in anyway whatsoever on my beloved show. Luckily there are no writers here (I *think* and hope?!) as I call them lazy all the time too hehe.

Maybe the ships name and registry ‘cloaks’ when in dangerous situations so that nobody can identity it, especially useful if the ship is on ‘top secret missions’. That would explain the missing decals… Farragut was quite simply in ‘stealth mode’. :shrug:

Overall, despite the odd ‘gripe’, the special effects in Star Trek at the moment are quite beautiful to behold and look just awesome, especially in Strange New World’s.

Sorry once again though… :(
 
My apologies for calling anybody lazy regardless, I would never intentionally want to insult anyone, especially if they did in deed work in anyway whatsoever on my beloved show. Luckily there are no writers here (I *think* and hope?!) as I call them lazy all the time too hehe.

My belief is: If you think you can do better, put your money where your mouth is. Do CG. Write a script. If you believe it’s so easy and you can do better. Otherwise perhaps calling someone lazy when you truly don’t know what a person everyday goes through is pretty suspect. And maybe you need to stop.

Just my completely unsolicited $0.02.
 
My belief is: If you think you can do better, put your money where your mouth is. Do CG. Write a script. If you believe it’s so easy and you can do better. Otherwise perhaps calling someone lazy when you truly don’t know what a person everyday goes through is pretty suspect. And maybe you need to stop.

Just my completely unsolicited $0.02.
I can do CGI in Paint 3D but I don’t think that they use that for Star Trek, and they never accept fan script submissions or I would… as would many others.

To be fair, we can all be lazy… lazy is a state of being that we all succumb to at points in our day to day life, especially as a result of monotony and repetition. Sometimes it is even *good* to be lazy as it means that we can lounge around and relax, contemplating things that we would normally not. Lazy can become a form of meditation and lead to us coming up with new creative ideas. Being lazy is also good for mental health as it means we can relax our minds. Sometimes when we are lazy we might forget to do *small* things though. I like to be lazy at the beach…. Where would you enjoy being lazy @Campe? It would be cool to be lazy on the bridge of the Enteprise, don’t you think? I don’t think that Captain Pike would want lazy crew on his bridge though, but I’m sure he gives them plenty of shore leave. I would also like to be lazy on Risa like in ‘Captain’s Holiday’ and ‘Let He Who is Without Sin’. I’m not *too* sure about the Amusement Park Planet though… I wouldn’t want to accidentally follow any white rabbits! :D
 
I can do CGI in Paint 3D but I don’t think that they use that for Star Trek, and they never accept fan script submissions or I would… as would many others.

To be fair, we can all be lazy… lazy is a state of being that we all succumb to at points in our day to day life, especially as a result of monotony and repetition. Sometimes it is even *good* to be lazy as it means that we can lounge around and relax, contemplating things that we would normally not. Lazy can become a form of meditation and lead to us coming up with new creative ideas. Being lazy is also good for mental health as it means we can relax our minds. Sometimes when we are lazy we might forget to do *small* things though. I like to be lazy at the beach…. Where would you enjoy being lazy @Campe? It would be cool to be lazy on the bridge of the Enteprise, don’t you think? I don’t think that Captain Pike would want lazy crew on his bridge though, but I’m sure he gives them plenty of shore leave. I would also like to be lazy on Risa like in ‘Captain’s Holiday’ and ‘Let He Who is Without Sin’. I’m not *too* sure about the Amusement Park Planet though… I wouldn’t want to accidentally follow any white rabbits! :D
Back when they were accepting open submissions in the 90s hey day, I sent in a few DS9 and VOY spec scripts. It’s a shame they don’t do that anymore but it’s different times and all that.
 
I can do CGI in Paint 3D but I don’t think that they use that for Star Trek, and they never accept fan script submissions or I would… as would many others

Write a fan script or an original story. It doesn’t have to be submitted or aired. There’s a lot of options.

To be fair, we can all be lazy… lazy is a state of being that we all succumb to at points in our day to day life, especially as a result of monotony and repetition.

Oh please, that’s not what you meant initially and you know it. It was an insult. You thought you had a safe space to throw shade on their work with absolutely no idea that someone working on the show or in the industry as a whole might have been here.

Having a little grace for work you only think you understand from the beginning is the answer. I literally have no idea what goes on in the building of a car but I don’t suggest that because my car has a recall, that the designers and builders and those who have done maintenance on my car are lazy.

I do know a little about Hollywood but I’m no expert by any means. I wanted to be a screen writer. I read many a book, screenplay and took classes on screenwriting in college and I could have gone and tried had I not been scared of falling flat on my face. But ultimately in watching how fickle and frankly rude fans can be, I’m glad I didn’t opt for that path. Still, having read many an account of screenwriters, one can see the unseen stresses creatives go through.

The point is: there are executives with notes, producers with notes, budgets, script changes, reshoots and a whole manner of things that can affect how and when things get done on a production. “A Quality of Mercy” was a fairly FX heavy show as it is. We don’t know (and I don’t know that we will ever know) if there were changes mandated and from whom.
 
According to The Star Trek Encyclopedia. Pike relinquished command of the Enterprise in 2263 to Captain James T. Kirk. Which might mean that Kirk may have been First Officer. Or it could be that Star Fleet told Pike, let someone else take command, we don't trust that Vulcan Officers of yours.
Pike got injure in 2266 which gave him severe burns and put him in a wheelchair for life.
 
Write a fan script or an original story. It doesn’t have to be submitted or aired. There’s a lot of options.



Oh please, that’s not what you meant initially and you know it. It was an insult. You thought you had a safe space to throw shade on their work with absolutely no idea that someone working on the show or in the industry as a whole might have been here.

Having a little grace for work you only think you understand from the beginning is the answer. I literally have no idea what goes on in the building of a car but I don’t suggest that because my car has a recall, that the designers and builders and those who have done maintenance on my car are lazy.

I do know a little about Hollywood but I’m no expert by any means. I wanted to be a screen writer. I read many a book, screenplay and took classes on screenwriting in college and I could have gone and tried had I not been scared of falling flat on my face. But ultimately in watching how fickle and frankly rude fans can be, I’m glad I didn’t opt for that path. Still, having read many an account of screenwriters, one can see the unseen stresses creatives go through.

The point is: there are executives with notes, producers with notes, budgets, script changes, reshoots and a whole manner of things that can affect how and when things get done on a production. “A Quality of Mercy” was a fairly FX heavy show as it is. We don’t know (and I don’t know that we will ever know) if there were changes mandated and from whom.

I can only offer my sincere apologies, and I shall be more considerate of my use of the word ‘lazy’. I consider myself well and truly scolded.

I would write a script but I would be wasting my time as I would have nobody to show it to, besides they don’t have a Seven of Nine spin off series for me to write for yet, or at least a 25th century continuation of the franchise beyond Picard. I could do a Pike script but I wouldn’t want to be *too* controversial and mess with material that ‘true’ TOS fans hold sacred. I would *love* to do a Metron Pike episode for example hehe. I also wouldn’t want to mess with the Gorn anymore than has already been done so. I have cool head canon about the Gorn and the Metron’s that would be hard for some fans to accept so I best stay clear of that. :bolian:
I would find it hard to write a Discovery episode though, it wouldn’t be my ‘style’.

I guess that I could always do more ‘fan fiction’ though! :D
 
you know what kind of irks me? plot holes. most recently - Using a comet as a strategic tool. I know it's been done before, several times. and in my favorite episodes. But, when a cloaked ship is in space that is 823.429 gazillion light years across, why do they feel it necessary to enter a comet's tail and give away their position? I'm sure even the most inexperienced Captain would go around the tail. And why does fleet trust that the enemy is going to enter that tail? But even beyond that, what star is nearby that is causing that comet to ablate and create a tail?????

Oh, and I absolutely crack up whenever Spock says something is going to occur in 7 minutes 15.34 seconds. It just took him 3.58 seconds to say it, so when exactly is it going to happen?
 
I could do a Pike script but I wouldn’t want to be *too* controversial and mess with material that ‘true’ TOS fans hold sacred

It’s a “what-if” scenario. Honestly, and don’t take it personally, no one is going to take any fanfic as canon. Basically the Star Trek Universe is your oyster. Take it as seriously as you want to and write the tale YOU want to tell.
 
you know what kind of irks me? plot holes. most recently - Using a comet as a strategic tool. I know it's been done before, several times. and in my favorite episodes. But, when a cloaked ship is in space that is 823.429 gazillion light years across, why do they feel it necessary to enter a comet's tail and give away their position? I'm sure even the most inexperienced Captain would go around the tail. And why does fleet trust that the enemy is going to enter that tail? But even beyond that, what star is nearby that is causing that comet to ablate and create a tail?????

Oh, and I absolutely crack up whenever Spock says something is going to occur in 7 minutes 15.34 seconds. It just took him 3.58 seconds to say it, so when exactly is it going to happen?
In the original TOS S1 Balance of Terror, the Romulan Commander planned to use the comet's tail to obscure the Enterprises sensors. He then planned to turn upon Kirk and attack when Kirk's sensors were blinded.

Kirk on the other hand knew that when the Romulan ship flew through the tail it would become visible.

The way it played out was as soon as the Romulan Commander realized that Kirk had changed course and was no longer shadowing/ trying to pass his ship off as a reflection; the Romulan Commander knew that something was up and he executed and escaped maneuver and abandoned his plan.

So yeah in the original episode, both ship Captains had a tactical reason for flying into the comet's tail.

In the altered timeline SNW version, it appears the Romulan Commander managed to pull off his plan, and that's how he took out the USS Farragut.
 
Last edited:
In the original TOS S1 Balance of Terror, the Romulan Commander planned to use the comet's tail to obscure the Enterprises sensors.
I always thought that was a weird choice. It seemed obvious that it would have the opposite effect (which it did).
 
I always thought that was a weird choice. It seemed obvious that it would have the opposite effect (which it did).

Knowing the Romulans' hubris and relative inexperience with their ship and its systems they probably felt the cloaking device would keep them invisible in the tail.
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top