Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[Lord Garth]

I think there are all sorts of ways for someone to be fine with how SNW looks and how TOS looks. If someone wants to, they'll find a way that works for them. "Continuity and Canon are two different things" being the easiest way to solve it. I think the people who can't find a way for the two to co-exist don't want them to co-exist and don't want to find a way to resolve it in their head. They're frustrated because they want to be frustrated.

 

[cooleddie74]

A CBS-approved reference book published in just the past couple of years states that the Enterprise looks like that in DSC and looks the way it does in TOS by the time Kirk takes command of the ship. I know books aren't canon but that sounds like a good answer to me. By 2265 the ship has the TOS look to it. A post-Pike drydock refit or one that even happens while he's still Captain.

 

[fireproof78]

A post-Pike drydock refit or one that even happens while he's still Captain.

Yup. It's a painfully obvious solution.

 

[Dukhat]

A CBS-approved reference book published in just the past couple of years states that the Enterprise looks like that in DSC and looks the way it does in TOS by the time Kirk takes command of the ship. I know books aren't canon but that sounds like a good answer to me. By 2265 the ship has the TOS look to it. A post-Pike drydock refit or one that even happens while he's still Captain.

I know which book you’re referring to, and I’m pretty sure whoever wrote that was not stating some CBS edict, but was just giving their own opinion, since the book also states the very large differences in scale between the TOS and the DSC Enterprises.

And let’s face it: the producers have no intention of making the Enterprise inside and out resemble the TOS Enterprise after some refit. Using footage from ‘The Cage’ pretty much confirms that. CBS isn’t interested in making the visuals fit seamlessly.

 

[cooleddie74]

Hell, I'm critical of some of the DSC and SNW look but why does this not occur to people? It's not a retcon designed to erase how the ship looked in TOS. It's just the way she looked in the years right before that series. Nobody at CBS is saying "the TOS look is silly and outdated and should be rejected" and if they are they're the silly ones.

 

[Orphalesion]

Also, no matter how they make it look. SNW will, by necessity, be a very different show from TOS and the Cage. The characters in the show will behave according to modern culture and have modern ideas and philosophies rather than the ones from the 60s. Just look at how different SNW's Uhura already is in comparison to her TOS incarnation. Or how different DISC's Pike and Una where from the Pike and Number One seen in the Cage.
And just like those things need to be updated by necessity, the same goes for the visuals.

 

[cooleddie74]

I just ignore the "new" scale numbers given. You sleep better doing so.

 

[fireproof78]

Hell, I'm critical of some of the DSC and SNW look but why does this not occur to people? It's not a retcon designed to erase how the ship looked in TOS. It's just the way she looked in the years right before that series. Nobody at CBS is saying "the TOS look is silly and outdated and should be rejected" and if they are they're the silly ones.

Exactly.

Also, no matter how they make it look. SNW will, by necessity, be a very different show from TOS and the Cage. The characters in the show will behave according to modern culture and have modern ideas and philosophies rather than the ones from the 60s. Just look at how different SNW's Uhura already is in comparison to her TOS incarnation. Or how different DISC's Pike and Una where from the Pike and Number One seen in the Cage.
And just like those things need to be updated by necessity, the same goes for the visuals.

Also very true.

 

[137th Gebirg]

This all feels like the Klingon ridges vs smooth-heads all over again.

 

[Dukhat]

This all feels like the Klingon ridges vs smooth-heads all over again.

Well at least with that they didn't take themselves seriously. Until they did.

 

[Lord Garth]

No matter what anyone says now, in a few months we'll see everyone's true colors.

 

[Dukhat]

I myself love the new Enterprise interiors. But the exterior design is just very boring to me.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Yup. It's a painfully obvious solution.

Meh, I like to believe that, retroactively speaking, the Enterprise always looked like the DSC version.

Those who prefer the TOS aesthetic are of course free to believe that, even during the events of DSC, the show always looked like that.

There's no right or wrong answer.

 

[Tuskin38]

We did see the DSC Design in Picard Season 1. But Picard also reused a few DSC models so

The DSC Design was also used in that one animated short trek with the tardigrade, but that's animated and I don't think was meant to be taken seriously.

The TOS Design showed up in Lower Decks.

Prodigy

Spoiler

It also showed up in a diagram in Prodigy

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

the book also states the very large differences in scale between the TOS and the DSC Enterprises.

I always thought the number we were given for the size of the TOS Enterprise was too small anyway! Those sets have some very high ceilings. Well okay they don't have ceilings, but they've got very high walls.

 

[Tuskin38]

I always thought the number we were given for the size of the TOS Enterprise was too small anyway! Those sets have some very high ceilings. Well okay they don't have ceilings, but they've got very high walls.

There was a user here, who's name I'm blanking on, that measured Doug Drexler's TOS Connie cutaway to be around 400+ meters if using the TOS set height + Leonard Nimoy's height compared to doors and such.

I think it was @F. King Daniel ?

 

[Dukhat]

I always thought the number we were given for the size of the TOS Enterprise was too small anyway! Those sets have some very high ceilings. Well okay they don't have ceilings, but they've got very high walls.

Well, that’s a different and separate argument. My point is that the book said the DSC Enterprise was a refit of the TOS 'The Cage' Enterprise while at the same time giving very different sizes for the two designs, a difference which a refit would clearly not accomplish (especially since the TMP Enterprise is roughly the same size as the TOS version. So the book implies that the ship started out small, got much bigger, then returned back to its smaller size.)

 

[cooleddie74]

I just found this piece of artwork on Facebook and had to share it. Discovery and the TOS Enterprise but with DSC-style pylons with the gap in them but also...straightened and shifted back on the stardrive section and closer to the main hangar bay doors. I'm not going to lie, this look works for me.

 

[137th Gebirg]

I just found this piece of artwork on Facebook and had to share it. Discovery and the TOS Enterprise but with DSC-style pylons with the gap in them but also...straightened and shifted back on the stardrive section and closer to the main hangar bay doors. I'm not going to lie, this look works for me.

Actually, it looks like the proposed versIon, with the pylons going straight up and down and not slanted. Yeah, it looks good.

 

[cooleddie74]

Damn, that look works. Both the one in the artwork and the DSC version with straight pylons.