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Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

Loki changed. So did Georgiou. Redemption arcs can be fun.
Sure. But in this case (and to an extent Loki) we're talking a galactic dictator who looked at Stalin and Hitler and said "Hold my spacey beer."

Imagine the show that posits that Adolph and Eva got snatched away from the bunker and through various timey-wimey events wound up rescuing refugees from another dimension, learning the true meaning of Christmas (or something).

I almost said "I can't imagine the ratings would be very good" but then I read the papers and also accounted for a global market.

But you see what I mean.
 
Sure. But in this case (and to an extent Loki) we're talking a galactic dictator who looked at Stalin and Hitler and said "Hold my spacey beer."
That's what Loki aspired to be. I just rewatched Thor and he's genocidal, wanting to wipe out Jotunheim, an entire realm. He becomes a vassal to Thanos to subjugate Earth. He's then a total ally and we're supposed to sad when Thanos kills him.

And Georgiou was not given the opportunity to know how to be better, unlike Hitler, Stalin and Loki.
 
I've said it before, but it's the eating of Kelpians that was the line too far and made Georgiou completely irredeemable in some folks eyes. If DIS hadn't done that, I think more would be ok with her redemption arc. It's arguable that in "Balance of Terror" (oops) "Errand of Mercy", Kor was equally genocidal (albeit with more limited means), but because he didn't eat anyone, everyone was cool with him becoming everyone's favorite fun Klingon grandpa on DS9.
 
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It's arguable that in "Balance of Terror Errand of Mercy", Kor was equally genocidal (albeit with more limited means), but because he didn't eat anyone, everyone was cool with him becoming everyone's favorite fun Klingon grandpa on DS9.
I think the Klingon Empire as a whole has gotten a pass / rehab.

But I agree about the Kelpians as cattle.
 
I've said it before, but it's the eating of Kelpians that was the line too far and made Georgiou completely irredeemable in some folks eyes. If DIS hadn't done that, I think more would be ok with her redemption arc. It's arguable that in "Balance of Terror", Kor was equally genocidal (albeit with more limited means), but because he didn't eat anyone, everyone was cool with him becoming everyone's favorite fun Klingon grandpa on DS9.
"Errand of Mercy." But, Kor did get an unearned redemption.
I think the Klingon Empire as a whole has gotten a pass / rehab.
That doesn't excuse Kor one bit.
 
Hell, FDR placed more than 100,000 Japanese-Americans in internment camps and commanded a military that firebombed German and Japanese cities into ash with hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties and he's lauded - politically so - as one of the best and most important Presidents in U.S. history. People can do sketchy and morally wrong things and still be seen as - on-balance - positive figures in history by their supporters and even historians.
 
Hell, FDR placed more than 100,000 Japanese-Americans in internment camps and commanded a military that firebombed German and Japanese cities into ash with hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties and he's lauded - politically so - as one of the best and most important Presidents in U.S. history. People can do sketchy and morally wrong things and still be seen as - on-balance - positive figures in history by their supporters and even historians.
Yes, but not in Star Trek.

Don't ask me why. :shrug:
 
Kor was a nastier man earlier in his career than he was later in it. That's just how some people are. People often change and abandon earlier ways of conducting their lives and looking at things. TOS Kor was a bad guy. DS9 Kor no longer was.
 
Kor was a nastier man earlier in his career than he was later in it. That's just how some people are. People often change and abandon earlier ways of conducting their lives and looking at things. TOS Kor was a bad guy. DS9 Kor no longer was.
Based upon...what?

Why was his redemption acceptable but not Georgiou which we actually saw? :wtf:
 
People can do sketchy and morally wrong things and still be seen as - on-balance - positive figures in history by their supporters and even historians.
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