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Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread
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I would choose SNW over everything but TOS.
And I love The Orville, probably because I love TOS.
TOS may always remain peak Trek. It probably should. It set the bar very high even when its own episodes could be mediocre.
Yup. And each show should do its own thing.
For me the 1987-2005 Trek series would go:
1. DS9
2. TNG
3. ENT
4. VOY
1. DS9
2. TNG
3. ENT
4. VOY
My preference has always been the order in which they aired right from TOS onward.
I've enjoyed each and every iteration at the time of it's creation, that hasn't lessened though the years.
To me it's almost like trying to say which child one loves the most, a parent loves them all equally.
Whether they are good or bad.
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1. ENT (I really enjoyed its 4th season <--- Best season since TOS S1 up to 2005. It's 3rd season was decent too.)
2. DS9 (Pretty much seasons 3 - 7 for me)
3. TNG
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Nice to see a fellow ENT fan. I'd rank it higher but, yeah, Season 2 and a few other flaws really kept it below the overall averages for both DS9 and TNG.
IDK - aside from a couple really good eps. here and there S1 and S2 of DS9 are on par with S1 and S2 of ENT WRT good/bad ratio; so yeah, for me S4 of ENT is what hits it out of the park over DS9 for me. Honestly - I thought the last half of S7 with mustache twirling Kai Win and Evil Fire Demon Dukat + Half Wormhole alien Sisko
wasn't that good. IMO - for me the best ep. of DS9 was "In The Pale Moonlight:" YMMV.) 
VOY, go home and study harder. And stop bringing a Tuvix for your science projects! I'm going to be grading much more closely.
From M'Benga's memory alpha page:
[M'Benga] was actually created by Darlene Hartman, in her purchased (but never produced) TOS script entitled "Shol". The notes for that script give Dr. M'Benga's first name as "Joseph", and stated that he was originally a native of Uganda. His brother, Commander Simon M'Benga, was the first officer of USS Hope, a Federation hospital ship, in the planned-but-never-developed Star Trek spinoff Hopeship.
Curious if there's any chance of these ideas making it into new Trek now, although probably not as they'd have to pay royalties to Ms. Hartman (who Memory Alpha indicates is still alive)
[M'Benga] was actually created by Darlene Hartman, in her purchased (but never produced) TOS script entitled "Shol". The notes for that script give Dr. M'Benga's first name as "Joseph", and stated that he was originally a native of Uganda. His brother, Commander Simon M'Benga, was the first officer of USS Hope, a Federation hospital ship, in the planned-but-never-developed Star Trek spinoff Hopeship.
Curious if there's any chance of these ideas making it into new Trek now, although probably not as they'd have to pay royalties to Ms. Hartman (who Memory Alpha indicates is still alive)
Some points.
First I read your post wrong I thought you were revering to "modern Era' trek, which is what I referenced, meaning Discovery forward.
Then to respond to your reply.
There is no data anywhere that supports the quality of the programming is what caused the continued decline of Trek's ratings (thus its ending) starting with mid season 6 of TNG and season 1 of DS9 that basically continued through DS9 run, through VOY run, and through Enterprise's run.
The comments on boards aren't and never have been a statistical sampling referencing the feelings or opinions of the general tv audience. Now quality can be a factor, but there are a host of things that can cause an audience to no longer follow a show. From death, competition, companion programming, to amount of tv a person consumes and how it changes through the events of their lives, to even factors like burnout, or how the visual style of story telling changes over time.
But one thing to ask yourself looking at the data especially once we got viewer numbers versus estimate viewer numbers based on HH data. Is that outside of each new show getting a boost with its pilot (and each pilot after DS9 getting a smaller and smaller sampling) is that if you honestly believe quality was the primary factor it means every earlier season was better then the next, and I doubt many actually feel that way.
Take two fairly well liked German era shows, TNG and DS9. Using ratings (the only statistical sampling we have on Trek) season 7 should be liked more then season 3, 4 and 5. DO you feel the quality is better in 7? In DS9 every single season should be inferior then season 1, Is that a view you share. Same with VOY same with ENT. Hell (though I am not one) there is a lot of people who post about how much they think season 4 of Ent is the show at its best, yet it by far and the lowest ratings, and didn't build as the season went along, do you feel that season is Enterprise at its weakest?
Take TNG's start does anyone here honestly believe that it got the ratings it got simply due to the quality of its show? Or do people believe there might have been pent up demand for new original tv episodes of Trek that help prop up the show, that later shows didn't get because their wasn't a nearly a 20 year gap between new tv episodes of Trek. And that's just one possible example of factors outside of quality that can help or hinder a show.
Of course that's still supposition, I can't speak for the general audience. I can only speak for my personal perception of the quality of stories produced and aired.
Making a statement as fact about why specifically the ratings declined over 13 years, is utterly beyond any information that has ever been released to the public.
The biggest problem ENTERPRISE had, was UPN constantly treating it like an unloved stepchild.
They kept bumping it for sporting events and specials.
It also seemed to change which day it was airing depending on somebody's whim in the programming dept.
They were also constantly making demands for scripts to be changed to their liking.
The final straw was when the CEO pretty much announced that he hated Star Trek ... Period.
They kept bumping it for sporting events and specials.
It also seemed to change which day it was airing depending on somebody's whim in the programming dept.
They were also constantly making demands for scripts to be changed to their liking.
The final straw was when the CEO pretty much announced that he hated Star Trek ... Period.
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Eh? I thought Enterprise took over Voyager's timeslot on Wednesday night, which it kept for the first three seasons before moving to Friday for the fourth?
Yes, but it was repeatedly preempted in local markets for sporting events. More than one time the new episode was delayed until the weekend, usually a Saturday afternoon or late at night.
According to Rick Berman in a recent interview that isn't true, but he could just be covering for his friend.
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