Spoilers Starfleet Academy General Discussion Thread

[fireproof78]

He reminds me a bit of Chris Pine's Kirk at the beginning of Trek 09. Very cocky. Complete with Holly Hunter's recruitment scene being similar to Pike's ' I dare you to do better'

Awesome

 

[I am not Spock]

I notice its changing - it's moved on to personal attacks (Ozempic etc) with some ironically using pics of Mary Wiseman from a few years ago. They can't win on substance or audience reception any more. I notice a lot of them a King Terry of Legacyland types as well, who much prefer a blonde woman zipped so tightly into a catsuit that she feints and can't go pee without help.

i really hate how the fandom seems to have split between the people open minded to SFA, and the 'we want Legacy' types. I support all Trek .

I wouldn't say no to a Legacy show if they gave it to us, but it also feels like some fans just can't move on. They can't move on from TOS or TNG. I'm ready to give some new characters and a new century a chance. Trek is about going forward

 

[Jayson1]

yeah, i thought Trek fans were better than that. Those comments are really cruel

The weight question is actually a sort of continuation, though often in a more mean spirited approach to the old debate about why Picard was bald. The idea is with Trek tech and medical advantages that people in the future should all basically be perfect in every way. Like Greek Gods almost.

To be fair this kind of question was brought into the picture when Roddenberry decided the future was going to be a Utopia in TNG. So ever since then the writers have either had to ignore it or write around it using tech like Geordi's visor or Kirk being allergic to that medicine meaning he needs to uses glasses or being able to clone whole body part replacements like Nogs leg.

Mostly I think people when they like the Trek they watching will ignore any nitpicky stuff like that. But when they don't like something they will use anything to try and criticize it. Now that politics and art are connected they will really go hard and mean spirited in their attacks.

 

[fireproof78]

i really hate how the fandom seems to have split between the people open minded to SFA, and the 'we want Legacy' types. I support all Trek .

I wouldn't say no to a Legacy show if they gave it to us, but it also feels like some fans just can't move on. They can't move on from TOS or TNG. I'm ready to give some new characters and a new century a chance. Trek is about going forward

I think we're starting to see the Statler and Waldorf effect in online commentary:.

The Statler & Waldorf Syndrome

For those familiar with The Muppet Show, this picture will need little in the way of introduction. But for the uninitiated, their names are Statler and Waldorf – two elderly Muppets who preferred to sit on the sidelines and criticise the best efforts of others.The Muppet Show, hosted by Kermit...

www.spicersink.com

 

[I am not Spock]

I know I shouldn't be, but I'm genuinely bothered by some hate posts regarding SFA on social media... I saw one where they've selected a short clip of the Doctor singing 'pa pa pa' etc. with remarks like 'this is what has become of a once great series', 'death of a franchise', etc. Very uncalled for and unwaranted imo. First, how many times have we not seen and heard the Doctor sing on VOY... It's very much in character.. And second, the opera piece served as a parallel to the ongoing negotiations, with ultimately the Betazoids leaving angrily, just like the Doctors singing partner... It was actually a brilliant piece... Again, I know I should just block out these hate posts, but it's very hard for me to do unfortunately.

the negativity is really getting to me too. It makes it impossible for me to go on social media at the moment. Except for this site, where we can at least discuss the show in a more fair and balanced way. I am liking what i'm seeing , mostly, so far , and i am glad i'm not alone

 

[Jayson1]

I think we're starting to see the Statler and Waldorf effect in online commentary:.

The Statler & Waldorf Syndrome

For those familiar with The Muppet Show, this picture will need little in the way of introduction. But for the uninitiated, their names are Statler and Waldorf – two elderly Muppets who preferred to sit on the sidelines and criticise the best efforts of others.The Muppet Show, hosted by Kermit...

www.spicersink.com

What I have noticed is people don't like Political correctness but they have also grown sick and tired of the anti-woke constant complaining as well. They have noticed they complain for the sake of views and thus aren't doing it in good faith. But people don't like lots of things and still engage in it because social media is like a drug addiction. People can't stop, even if they know it's also making them feel miserable.

 

[fireproof78]

What I have noticed is people don't like Political correctness but they have also grown sick and tired of the anti-woke constant complaining as well. They have noticed they complain for the sake of views and thus aren't doing it in good faith. But people don't like lots of things and still engage in it because social media is like a drug addiction. People can't stop, even if they know it's also making them feel miserable.

When one has been angry for long it becomes comfortable.

 

[Tuskin38]

Was watching the opening credits again, spotted some classic worker bees in cargo configuration

Though the actual vehicles building the academy appear to be the 2250s worker bee design from Discovery

The academy is also on the wrong side of the bridge

 

[Fateor]

To be fair this kind of question was brought into the picture when Roddenberry decided the future was going to be a Utopia in TNG. So ever since then the writers have either had to ignore it or write around it using tech like Geordi's visor or Kirk being allergic to that medicine meaning he needs to uses glasses or being able to clone whole body part replacements like Nogs leg.

I wouldn't really say those sorts of things connect back to the whole "Utopia" idea.

It's more that real life is on track to do those things, so the only way those solutions wouldn't be readily available 400 years in the future is if the setting itself was a rather extreme dystopia.

 

[donners22]

You should have seen the negative stuff about the first few episodes of TNG in 1987. (Via letters columns, and some dial up BBS and early Usenet posts.)

I'm not a fan of SFA and IDK if I'll watch the full season but for any new Trek series this is nothing new.

The only thing that matters is Do you like it?

If the answer is "Yes" keep watching and don't worry what others think.

There's a difference between people:

• Not liking it because they don't think it's good
• Not liking it because it's not what they wanted from a Trek show
• Not liking it because they're bigots and are actively fighting culture wars

TNG may have got some of the first two, but not the third. Some will try to hide it within the other reasons, but there are plenty who are shamelessly open about it. Elon Musk shared a moronic tweet attacking SFA on culture wars grounds, which attracted thousands of likes. That sort of thing leads to brigading and review bombing (note the abysmal IMDb rating).

It matters because anyone not aware of that context who looks the show up with a view to watching it will be deterred. That the show's chances of success and ultimately damages Trek's future.

 

[Kraig]

Was watching the opening credits again, spotted some classic worker bees in cargo configuration

Though the actual vehicles building the academy appear to be the 2250s worker bee design from Discovery

The academy is also on the wrong side of the bridge

I always had it in my head canon that Starfleet Command was located on the grounds of The Presidio, on the south side of the Golden Gate Bridge, and Starfleet Academy was on the north side located on the grounds of Camp Baker.

Above: Present day view of the Presidio in the foreground on the San Francisco side of the bay, Fort Baker on the other side of the bay (Marin County) and right (east) of the Golden Gate.
Below: looking west at the Grounds of the Presidio.

Below: Starfleet Command grounds on the Presidio, as seen in DS9.

Present day map below: Where my head canon places Starfleet Academy on the north side of the Golden Gate Bridge in Marin County, on the grounds of Fort Baker.



Marin County landing facing north toward Starfleet Academy and the War College

Then the ship rotates 180 degrees to land and face south toward San Francisco and the Presidio, which is where Starfleet Command is located.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

I am staking my claim to a prediction that in the finale that the Athena will get into a firefight and Discovery will jump in to assist