Let's hope.
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x05 - "Spock Amok"
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Yet, he does.
Because they are more than betrothed and less than married. The term "wife" is the closest human equivalent at that point in their relationship.
When I was nearly married (as in a week away from the wedding) I introduced her as "my wife." That's how it felt. Seemed appropriate.
As much of a stickler as I am for language and precision (thanks Spock!) this one that I feel doesn't require the overthinking of it. She was all but wife in the Vulcan sense and would have been had she not called for the challenge.
The scene is at the end of these "cut for commercial time" scenes from the original Amok Time.
If it's not in the aired episode it doesn't count.
I think the actor and his age are fine. But what I'm wondering is how does this character fit in with Dr. Boyce and Dr. Piper. I thought Piper succeeded Boyce on Enterprise. Or is it all retconned...
No, Spock must've gotten together with the Enterprise Incident's Romulan commander. It's the only way to explain him becoming such a Romulan lover in his old age.
No, Dr. Piper is there in 2265 so at some point M'Benga is no longer CMO and that's even before McCoy arrives. But Kirk doesn't take command for another six years so that's plenty of time for events to fall into line.
We never saw the transition so why would Piper be succeeding Boyce? We had no context.
6 years? I thought this was 10 years before Kirk.
No. 2259 is the first season of SNW. Kirk's first five-year mission is from 2265-70, of which TOS covers three of those years.
Another 10.
It was a 9 for me story and character wise; but I LOVE the original (and now old/classic) TOS background music and the classic TOS background musical cues littered throughout the Spock vs. Spock Ponn Far ceremony dream sequence were all an absolute joy and pushed this episode to a 10 for me. Kudos to the series composer for how she intertwined them within the new background music.
This show is 5 for 5 (IMO) and that's amazing for any Trek series to have so many good episodes in a row right out of the gate.
It's funny because I also usually don't care for the lower desks type episodes but they did a good job here giving the main cast (with the exception of Hemmer who wasn't shown at all, or Uhura, who seemed 100% involved with transcribing the negotiation meetings) some really good scenes that advanced their character background stories and did it in a very entertaining and enjoyable way.
I LOVED the whole "Freaky Friday" situation with Spock and T'Pring. That was unexpected and fun; and both actors did a good job adopting small mannerisms shown by their opposite characters. I don't agree with some posters who believe it was too soon, or that the subtle changes weren't noticeable. They both spoke more like the other person during the switch, and also adjust the say they stood; had certain hand gestures/mannerisms etc.
As for T'Pring - she's one who seemed to really change in the next 10 years because they definitely aren't playing her up as a two timing shrew. I like her here (as opposed to what she'll ultimately force Spock to do, just to get her way in TOS S2 - "Amok Time") - but the interesting thing to me about that is - HAD it been Captain Pike (who she does seem to know as she calls him 'Chris') who showed up with Spock to the Ponn Far ceremony, would she still have chosen the Captain to fight with Spock over Stonn as she had originally planned? (And was her reason for choosing Stonn over Spock honest, or did Stonn just do something for her that 'rocked her world'?)
I LOVED the 'Command style' differences shown between Una and La'an; and HOW they showed it:
- Una being more 'Pike like' and being 'friendly' to get the ensign to open up and tell her exactly what they were doing and why.
- La'an being HARD CORE BUTTON DOWN MILITARY with the "Okay, talk now or the next chance you get will be at you court martial..."
And further the fact that BOTH of them got the same info and La'an and Una are casually and cordially discussing it with neuther one being aware of the method the other used to GET the info. It's also interesting that La'an while being more aloof still seems to be in touch with more about what going on with the lower enlisted personnel on the ship than Number One does. (Again, I like that they showcase different officer personalities and style here as in TNG it seemed ALL the senior staff was 'tuned into' the enlisted crew to the same degree with no real variation.)
I liked the interplay between Nurse Chapel and Spock, and that at this younger age Chapel is pretty much not into relationships, and more the 'friends with benefits' type. I will say the type of playful head slap she gave to Spock is something more from the generation previous to mine (and I'm a 50 year old Baby Boomer). But yeah, they expanded on her character here, and given she's 10 or so years younger than when get what little we do of her in TOS, no, I don't see a contradiction as people can and do change some attitudes as they get older, and nothing really sticks out as an OMG! contradiction.
I liked what they showed of Ortegas (who seems to be Chapel's 'wingman' when they go out on the town) - although yes, ATM of all the main cast, she's really not been given any real focus in an episode to date, and I hope they give her more focus in an episode down the line as I really like the character.
In fact I'm surprised in that (Post TOS) - every Star Trek series of the Berman/Braga era (as well as STD, PIC, and STLD) had included a character I didn't care for, and would have minded seeing them shoved out an airlock) - but not so with SNW. I like everyone (including the extras like asian 'Kyle' and others.)
Lastly, I do like that they had the 1701 return home for a full/complete repair job, and didn't just have them in space fully repaired and on the way to their next mission at the start.
This was another really good, fun, and entertaining episode.
(Oh, and I've seen some comments by a few posters wondering how the Romulans are being brought up here may be a mistake. Remember however that the Romulans were known by the Federation (there was an Earth/Romulan War 100 or so years earlier, and diplomatic negations ultimately ended that war with a monitored Neutral Zone, negotiated over sub space radio. So yeah, the Federation and the Romulans know of each other, monitor each other and may even have occasional long range diplomatic contact from time to time. The only thing TOS S1 - "Balance of Terror" makes p[lain is that in Pike's time, no Federation member has (knowingly) seen a Romulan face to face; and no Star Fleet ship has (again knowingly) seen a Romulan ship up close since the War ended.)
It was a 9 for me story and character wise; but I LOVE the original (and now old/classic) TOS background music and the classic TOS background musical cues littered throughout the Spock vs. Spock Ponn Far ceremony dream sequence were all an absolute joy and pushed this episode to a 10 for me. Kudos to the series composer for how she intertwined them within the new background music.
This show is 5 for 5 (IMO) and that's amazing for any Trek series to have so many good episodes in a row right out of the gate.
It's funny because I also usually don't care for the lower desks type episodes but they did a good job here giving the main cast (with the exception of Hemmer who wasn't shown at all, or Uhura, who seemed 100% involved with transcribing the negotiation meetings) some really good scenes that advanced their character background stories and did it in a very entertaining and enjoyable way.
I LOVED the whole "Freaky Friday" situation with Spock and T'Pring. That was unexpected and fun; and both actors did a good job adopting small mannerisms shown by their opposite characters. I don't agree with some posters who believe it was too soon, or that the subtle changes weren't noticeable. They both spoke more like the other person during the switch, and also adjust the say they stood; had certain hand gestures/mannerisms etc.
As for T'Pring - she's one who seemed to really change in the next 10 years because they definitely aren't playing her up as a two timing shrew. I like her here (as opposed to what she'll ultimately force Spock to do, just to get her way in TOS S2 - "Amok Time") - but the interesting thing to me about that is - HAD it been Captain Pike (who she does seem to know as she calls him 'Chris') who showed up with Spock to the Ponn Far ceremony, would she still have chosen the Captain to fight with Spock over Stonn as she had originally planned? (And was her reason for choosing Stonn over Spock honest, or did Stonn just do something for her that 'rocked her world'?)
I LOVED the 'Command style' differences shown between Una and La'an; and HOW they showed it:
- Una being more 'Pike like' and being 'friendly' to get the ensign to open up and tell her exactly what they were doing and why.
- La'an being HARD CORE BUTTON DOWN MILITARY with the "Okay, talk now or the next chance you get will be at you court martial..."
And further the fact that BOTH of them got the same info and La'an and Una are casually and cordially discussing it with neuther one being aware of the method the other used to GET the info. It's also interesting that La'an while being more aloof still seems to be in touch with more about what going on with the lower enlisted personnel on the ship than Number One does. (Again, I like that they showcase different officer personalities and style here as in TNG it seemed ALL the senior staff was 'tuned into' the enlisted crew to the same degree with no real variation.)
I liked the interplay between Nurse Chapel and Spock, and that at this younger age Chapel is pretty much not into relationships, and more the 'friends with benefits' type. I will say the type of playful head slap she gave to Spock is something more from the generation previous to mine (and I'm a 50 year old Baby Boomer). But yeah, they expanded on her character here, and given she's 10 or so years younger than when get what little we do of her in TOS, no, I don't see a contradiction as people can and do change some attitudes as they get older, and nothing really sticks out as an OMG! contradiction.
I liked what they showed of Ortegas (who seems to be Chapel's 'wingman' when they go out on the town) - although yes, ATM of all the main cast, she's really not been given any real focus in an episode to date, and I hope they give her more focus in an episode down the line as I really like the character.
In fact I'm surprised in that (Post TOS) - every Star Trek series of the Berman/Braga era (as well as STD, PIC, and STLD) had included a character I didn't care for, and would have minded seeing them shoved out an airlock) - but not so with SNW. I like everyone (including the extras like asian 'Kyle' and others.)
Lastly, I do like that they had the 1701 return home for a full/complete repair job, and didn't just have them in space fully repaired and on the way to their next mission at the start.
This was another really good, fun, and entertaining episode.
(Oh, and I've seen some comments by a few posters wondering how the Romulans are being brought up here may be a mistake. Remember however that the Romulans were known by the Federation (there was an Earth/Romulan War 100 or so years earlier, and diplomatic negations ultimately ended that war with a monitored Neutral Zone, negotiated over sub space radio. So yeah, the Federation and the Romulans know of each other, monitor each other and may even have occasional long range diplomatic contact from time to time. The only thing TOS S1 - "Balance of Terror" makes p[lain is that in Pike's time, no Federation member has (knowingly) seen a Romulan face to face; and no Star Fleet ship has (again knowingly) seen a Romulan ship up close since the War ended.)
It's 100+ years in the future but in TNG this seemed to be the case. Riker fell for an androgynous alien who identified as female (but appearance-wise wasn't one) and Crusher denied a relationship to a Trill in a female body not because of the female body but because of the uncertainty if "who" this person would be in the future. (Trills were treated differently here before being re-engineered in DS9.) I believe they made her ending of the relationship clearly to be based in the instability of who the physical body would be and not because the Trill was now female.
The idea in TNG clearly seems to be more bisexual, or panesxual, thinking.
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This will probably be my mantra throughout SNW.
The "bestest Trek series eva!" still gets the "but OMG contradiction" police.
I wish the slap has been edited out. Call me crazy but after the Jonny Deep and Amber Head mess of marriage, women should not be shown treating men in a way we know will not be acceptable if it was in reverse.
Additionally slapping Spock, is to out of character for Spock to be handled that way.
Lastly how did heck does she slap him, when in TOS she is so meek and shy to him. They changed Chapel too much and her bi sexuality is not even the biggest change.
So you're saying everyone in the future will be bisexual or pansexual?
ing change.
That's not what actually happens - La'an simply beats Una by calling out "bad cop!" - if she has been first the scenes would have played the other way. it's not about their individual personalities but using the "good cop/bad cop" trope to comic effect which is why Una is so over the top nice.
It always has been and always will be a broad spectrum. The difference being mostly in how comfortable we are with accepting it both within ourselves and others. Chapel suggesting she's bisexual would hardly be noteworthy today, much less (hopefully) in the far future.
But there will be no heterosexuals?
