Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x19 - "Supernova, Part 1"

[Deks]

It's well played, even if probably unintended. I was quite surprised to see the ass kicking going on.

I sure hope not. That would be rather impractical, especially since the Enterprise often faces major threats and destruction.

VOY and the Defiant encountered similarly major threats and were faced with destruction (the Defiant was in fact destroyed once before during the Dominion War).

Point being, we don't have evidence to confirm or deny the premise that the 'honor' of being a 'flagship' won't be temporarily (or permanently) assigned to another vessel.

But if I may ask, what would be the difference even if the ENT is not the flagship?
Quite literally nothing changes. Sure it may deal a blow to morale, but come on, even those people would have to understand that various circumstances can destroy the flagship of the Federation just as easily as another starship can be destroyed.

Remember how the Ent-D went out? If anything, Riker should have been court martialed for not 'firing everything' they had at the BoP (which would realistically end up obliterated in a full front assault from a galaxy class starship, shields, or no shields).

ENT-D destruction would be more in line with 'target practice' analogy rather than a Living Construct that infects an armada of SF ships who then start attacking each other with the purpose of destroying themselves entirely and infecting new ships as they Warp in.

 

[Tuskin38]

the problem i have with watching these episodes is that we know Starfleet survives because of Discovery Season 3.

Also Picard, it's set after Prodigy.

Maybe it was a trick of the lighting, but I think the torpedo launchers on the Akira's weapon pod rotated before firing.

 

[Tuskin38]

The Big E and the Defiant…cool.

First time those two have been on screen together in 26 years.

All the Defiant classes in the fleet were labelled defiant, and all the Sovereign's were labelled Sovereign, at least the ones we saw the saucer of. I wouldn't be surprised the NCC-1701-E on nacelle was mistake and missed it when retexturing the model to be the USS Sovereign.

All the Centaurs were the USS Centaur and all the Akira's had the Thunderchild's registry number.

 

[tomalak301]

It was a pretty good start to the finale. I do have a feeling time travel will come into play because they've been setting up the Chakotay mystery all season and I'm sure they want to resolve that before the season ends. I also agree that we know Starfleet survives so it will be interesting only to see how they deal with the construct. I did like the message Gwyn had about being accepted anywhere and finding your place so that was the memorable scene for me. I was a little confused about the about face from the Deviner though. It seems like this is exactly what he wanted and I wish he wasn't killed off so soon.

I'm giving this one an 8 tentitively. I do wish they had aired both episodes together, ending the season the same way it started, with an episode movie. I wish Paramount + would consider a double episode for any of it's series (Not airing a single episode of multiple series in the same night). UPN and the affiliates before that always did with episodes like the various series premieres, Way of the Warrior and Dark Frontier.

 

[StewMc]

I wouldn't be surprised the NCC-1701-E on nacelle was mistake and missed it when retexturing the model to be the USS Sovereign.

That's a good shout actually, and not the first time it would have happened in Trek either.

 

[DaveyNY]

Hm... forgot about that... but, Zero is just 1 Organian.

Zero is a Medusan.

 

[Deks]

Zero is Medusan

Correct..
I blame myself on being ill still for this ridiculous oversight.

 

[Tuskin38]

It looked like Zero would going to expose their true self to Drednok there, but would that even effect an AI?

 

[fireproof78]

But if I may ask, what would be the difference even if the ENT is not the flagship?

My interest would increase and my pedantic nature for terminology being used correctly in a strictly overly sensitive sense would be satisfied.

 

[The_Baroness]

Considering the series is essentially a Voyager sequel I'm surprised there wasn't at least one Intrepid class ship in the fleet..

 

[Dukhat]

All the Defiant classes in the fleet were labelled defiant, and all the Sovereign's were labelled Sovereign, at least the ones we saw the saucer of. I wouldn't be surprised the NCC-1701-E on nacelle was mistake and missed it when retexturing the model to be the USS Sovereign.

All the Centaurs were the USS Centaur and all the Akira's had the Thunderchild's registry number.

While I don’t have a problem with the cut-and-paste nature of the fleet, I wish they would have at least changed the names on the models to something more original. And I’m still baffled as to why they used the EM Centaur (or even the original version of the Centaur, for that matter.) It just seems like such a randomly odd choice for a fleet of ships in 2384.

 

[AnimationAdmiral]

I wonder if this is the real cliffhanger, or if next week ends with some serious loose ends. I never minded having to wait a week for satisfaction when it came to the in-season 2 parters.


There were at least 2 little Brenari girls in Counterpoint, so I'd like to believe our new Ensign is one of these. Very nice callback this one.

It's what, 20 years til Picard S2? We know some of those ships survive. The USS Sovereign among them.

We also know the Brenari went through a wormhole at the end of that episode, so it seems the landed somewhere that was able to get them to Federation space eventually, similar to Voyager.

 

[Deks]

Considering the series is essentially a Voyager sequel I'm surprised there wasn't at least one Intrepid class ship in the fleet..

Well, Prodigy is a sort of 'continuation' of VOY in a sense, but still very much its own series.
Mulgrew did mention she would 'ideally' like to bring in the whole VOY cast to Prodigy eventually... but I'm guessing that we won't really see this until sometime in Season 2 or possibly 3 (if the series goes that long).

The lack of Intrepid class ships in the fleet... eh, it was disappointing, but its possible most of those were out exploring and not inside core UFP space because SF saw that VOY was able to survive and somewhat thrive despite being cut off from support for 7 years in a dangerous quadrant.

I would imagine that releasing all those Intrepids out to explore while being launched full of supplies (unlike VOY which was launched with enough for what was supposed to be a 2 week mission) with some recent upgrades would have made for decent (and potentially successful) exploration efforts.

Who knows. Plus, the variability of the ship classess in the fleet is also down to which ships could make it in time to where Protostar was headed.
Its possible we will see an Intrepid or two warping in the final episode.

 

[Deks]

We also know the Brenari went through a wormhole at the end of that episode, so it seems the landed somewhere that was able to get them to Federation space eventually, similar to Voyager.

Either that or they ended up just outside Devore space and found a Borg TW conduit (like the Kazon) or a subspace corridor and made it to the Federation.
Who knows.

 

[Deks]

While I don’t have a problem with the cut-and-paste nature of the fleet, I wish they would have at least changed the names on the models to something more original. And I’m still baffled as to why they used the EM Centaur (or even the original version of the Centaur, for that matter.) It just seems like such a randomly odd choice for a fleet of ships in 2384.

Maybe not. Those Centaurs were likely upgraded internally so they are equal more or less to other 24th century designs.
Otherwise, its possible those older ships won't be receiving external design changes until later (perhaps early in the 25th century).

Plus the fact they were in the heart of UFP space suggests those ships weren't used on the outskirts but rather to help around with efforts inside UFP space with patrol, relief supplies, humanitarian missions, etc.

 

[The Old Mixer]

We're gonna need Boimler to clean up the forum when you guys are done...

 

[Weyoun 251]

For all we know, she may have been, but in fairness, I don't think they woul have to do that since sufficient time passed between when VOY rescued those refugees and the time this episode took place for her to mature and undergo vocal changes.

Its been 5 years since VOY returned home, and about 6 and a half years when VOY transported those refugees to safety.

So, depending on her age, she and other refugees would have had to find a way to the AQ pretty soon (around the same time VOY returned) to complete SF Academy , be posted on the Dauntless and acquire a rank of ensign (but she could have been posted to another ship while still as a cadet and got a field promotion).

There should be enough time for her to mature (although in fairness, those kids did seem fairly young)... and I suspect that much like the Kazon, the refugees found a TW conduit which brought them to the AQ... or subspace corridors?

Oh yeah, not thinking from in universe but just from a "that would be a nice touch" perspective

 

[Weyoun 251]

First time those two have been on screen together in 26 years.

Would have been cool to mirror the scene from FC but instead of a tractor beam it is the fly by from the E shooting at the Defiant instead

 

[Weyoun 251]

Also Picard, it's set after Prodigy.

Maybe it was a trick of the lighting, but I think the torpedo launchers on the Akira's weapon pod rotated before firing.

It did - would seem the pod is like a revolver which is pretty cool

Also sorry mods - I know I've done 3 in a row there so will multi quote next time

 

[Dukhat]

Maybe not. Those Centaurs were likely upgraded internally so they are equal more or less to other 24th century designs.
Otherwise, its possible those older ships won't be receiving external design changes until later (perhaps early in the 25th century).

Plus the fact they were in the heart of UFP space suggests those ships weren't used on the outskirts but rather to help around with efforts inside UFP space with patrol, relief supplies, humanitarian missions, etc.

What I meant was that it was an odd choice to show them alongside three late-24th century contemporaneous ships, and just have four classes total (including the backup ships, which are also the same four, as if Starfleet only consists of those four classes of ship.) The tons of Sovereigns, Akiras and Defiants I get. But Centaurs? They just looked very out-of-place when compared to the other ships. Now if the fleet consisted of, say, 20 different classes and the Centaurs were lumped together with Sovereigns, Akiras, Defiants, Galaxies, Nebulas, Excelsiors, Mirandas, Constellations, Ambassadors, Oberths, Sabers, Steamrunners, Currys, Raging Queens, Sydneys, Intrepids, Novas and Prometheuses, it would have made more sense to me. One can rationalize ‘internal upgrades’ all they want, but it doesn’t make the scene look any more sensible to me.