Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x05 – “Series Acclimation Mil”

[Fateor]

No need to remind me as I've seen it many times. However, I still don't think that would be enough for Picard to release highly classified information to the general public, and it is quite frankly ridiculous to suggest that he would.

I feel the need to point out here that every time Picard's morals have come into conflict with Starfleet regulations the morals have won out.

So while you can try to argue that Starfleet classifying what, as far as Picard knows, is just a message of peace and togetherness wouldn't morally outrage him enough to act. That is very much not the Picard that has ever been portrayed in various shows.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

I feel the need to point out here that every time Picard's morals have come into conflict with Starfleet regulations the morals have won out.

Picard season 1

So while you can try to argue that Starfleet classifying what, as far as Picard knows, is just a message of peace and togetherness wouldn't morally outrage him enough to act. That is very much not the Picard that has ever been portrayed in various shows.

The message fell on deaf ears and while it got through to one Romulan commander the potential for it to cause racial violence is remarkably high. Picard is very rarely shown to disobey direct orders and would not do so frivolously.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I'm not even sure where "morals" would come into play. There's nothing inherently wrong with classifying potentially dangerous information.

 

[Fateor]

Picard season 1

Proves my point since it had Picard leave Starfleet in protest and use his resources to conduct his own rescue.

The message fell on deaf ears and while it got through to one Romulan commander the potential for it to cause racial violence is remarkably high. Picard is very rarely shown to disobey direct orders and would not do so frivolously.

Racial violence? What? Now you're just making stuff up.

I'm not even sure where "morals" would come into play. There's nothing inherently wrong with classifying potentially dangerous information.

There was literally nothing dangerous about the message.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Proves my point since it had Picard leave Starfleet in protest and use his resources to conduct his own rescue.

he stood up for his principles, threatened to resign and got rebuked. He was forced out of starfleet because he did not win against the system. It took him 14 years to recover from that.

Racial violence? What? Now you're just making stuff up.

Humans have a lot of bad blood with other species, no matter how evolved they claim to be they are still pretty racist. They view so many species as collectively only having one character trait and take O'Brien as a prime example the border wars left him with a racist attitude. He would not be alone, not to mention the general public probably think of Romulans as trecherous and Klingons as barbarians, worse so if they had loved ones who died fighting them. Then someone comes along and unilaterally declares to you to rejoice because we're all related on some very ancient level...think about what that could stir up.

That message could be ignored, sure. Denied as a hoax, certainly but the offense that could cause could then result in people lashing out and taking it out on the races they have come to view through prejudiced lenses.

 

[cooleddie74]

Kirk was racist to Klingons even before his son was murdered by them, and the death of David just made his bigotry all the worse (the brief reapproachment with them after the Sha Ka Ree incident aside). Starfleet officers circa 2293 had plenty of prejudices against Klingons and other species.

 

[ichab]

I thought that nothing ever could be any worse than Discovery, and then the first few episodes of Starfleet Academy came in ... and it was even worse than I imagined.

Please keep your hands off DS9, don't ruin another Star Trek show that you don't know anything about!

Boy was that ever a prophetic statement.

Sisko never came back to his new wife who was carrying his unborn child nor Jake, despite him promising to do so. Jake never published his book which was forshadowed in an earlier episode to become a bestseller. And despite DS9s final 10 episodes being the finale of the dominion war, where death and destruction is a daily occurrence, these are the best times Jake ever had with his father, who was in command of the Defiant during most of this.

Yeah, it's clear the writers had no friggin clue of what characters they were writing about. The rest of the episode was just cheap laughs and toilet humor that I expect from a show like South Park, not Star Trek.

A 1 is not low enough. 0 or negative 1000 would be more appropriate. Pure garbage

This is honestly the first time I've ever rated an episode of any Trek series that low. You have to be Spocks Brain level bad to reach it, but it did.

 

[tenmei]

Boy was that ever a prophetic statement.

Sisko never came back to his new wife who was carrying his unborn child nor Jake. Jake never published his book which was forshadowed in an earlier episode to become a bestseller. And despite DS9s final 10 episodes being the finale of the dominion war, where death and destruction is a daily occurrence, these are the best times Jake ever had with his father, who was in command of the Defiant during most of this.

Yeah, it's clear the writers had no friggin clue of what characters they were writing about. The rest of the episode was just the usual cheap laughs and toilet humor that I expect from a show like South Park, not Star Trek.

A 1 is not low enough. 0 or negative 1000 would be more appropriate. Pure garbage

As has been pointed out elsewhere, several actors, including Cirroc Lofton and Kerrice Brooks, and the writer, Tawny, have said that Brooks was fully aware of the contents of the episode and indicated his satisfaction with it. This grading seems unecessarily harsh.

 

[ichab]

As has been pointed out elsewhere, several actors, including Cirroc Lofton and Kerrice Brooks, and the writer, Tawny, have said that Brooks was fully aware of the contents of the episode and indicated his satisfaction with it. This grading seems unecessarily harsh.

That means absolutely nothing. The character promised his return and now it looks like he reneged on it. He left his new wife to raise her unborn child by herself. That is not keeping with what we know about Sisko, who had to raise a son on his own. It turns him into a selfish character who cares more about his own self indulgences over family. That is not the character I watched for seven seasons and no amount of rumor and innuendo is going to change that. It was horrible writing from people who didn't have a clue of what they were writing about.

 

[Turtletrekker]

As has been pointed out elsewhere, several actors, including Cirroc Lofton and Kerrice Brooks, and the writer, Tawny, have said that Brooks was fully aware of the contents of the episode and indicated his satisfaction with it.

This. Absolutely this. Sometimes people make promises that they want to keep but can't. Or sometimes they fulfill their promises through the only means available to them. I mean, I think we all would have loved that happy ending for Ben and Kasidy, but I honestly wasn't expecting it. And, even now, there is no reason to believe that we the viewers are privy to the entire story.

As usual, accusations of "bad writing" in this instance simply boil down to, "it's not what I wanted them to do".

 

[Detached Nacelle]

I think some people need to rewatch DS9 again and re-evaluate why they think Sisko has any say in the matter. And they should also rewatch DS9 because it's just so fucking good.

 

[fireproof78]

This. Absolutely this. Sometimes people make promises that they want to keep but can't. Or sometimes they fulfill their promises through the only means available to them. I mean, I think we all would have loved that happy ending for Ben and Kasidy, but I honestly wasn't expecting it. And, even now, there is no reason to believe that we the viewers are privy to the entire story.

As usual, accusations of "bad writing" in this instance simply boil down to, "it's not what I wanted them to do".

Yes. It's the usual attitude that the Trek writers must treat Trek as fans do.

Trek fans treat Trek differently than writers do and that's the the nature of the work. It's not a lack of respect to treat Trek differently than I would treat it.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Quantum Leap famously ended with a short bit of text on a black screen revealing that whatever fans had hoped for the last few years wasn't going to happen. Some consider it to be one of the worst ways a TV show has ended.

Starfleet Academy basically just did the same thing to the end of Deep Space Nine. Good writing or not, I'm not sure it was a good idea and it's no wonder people are a bit frustrated by it.

 

[fireproof78]

Quantum Leap famously ended with a short bit of text on a black screen revealing that whatever fans had hoped for the last few years wasn't going to happen. Some consider it to be one of the worst ways a TV show has ended.

Starfleet Academy basically just did the same thing to the end of Deep Space Nine. Good writing or not, I'm not sure it was a good idea and it's no wonder people are a bit frustrated by it.

I think it depends by and large in your attitude towards ambiguity. If you must have definitive answers then it would be very frustrating. If you are will to play in the ambiguity then it's far more pleasing.

In my opinion, Star Trek does well with ambiguity and the open ended ending of the crew out exploring is somewhat more fun with my imagination than hard and fast answers.

Mileage will vary.

 

[Farscape One]

Quantum Leap famously ended with a short bit of text on a black screen revealing that whatever fans had hoped for the last few years wasn't going to happen. Some consider it to be one of the worst ways a TV show has ended.

Starfleet Academy basically just did the same thing to the end of Deep Space Nine. Good writing or not, I'm not sure it was a good idea and it's no wonder people are a bit frustrated by it.

Regarding the QUANTUM LEAP ending... I actually think it makes Sam Beckett even more heroic than he already was.

This is a man who is putting things right that once went wrong and making a good difference to countless lives... and no one is going to remember that it was him who did it. And he still kept on going.

That, to me, elevates a heroic person to even greater heroic status.

 

[The Wormhole]

The rest of the episode was just cheap laughs and toilet humor that I expect from a show like South Park, not Star Trek.

I suggest actually watching and paying attention to the episode next time around.

 

[ichab]

Quantum Leap famously ended with a short bit of text on a black screen revealing that whatever fans had hoped for the last few years wasn't going to happen. Some consider it to be one of the worst ways a TV show has ended.

Starfleet Academy basically just did the same thing to the end of Deep Space Nine. Good writing or not, I'm not sure it was a good idea and it's no wonder people are a bit frustrated by it.

I never had an issue with Sam Beckett never making it back myself. Its also not quite the same here as DS9 already had a great ending. Sisko joined the prophets but promises he will back. The final shot is Jake looking out the window as the camera pans away. Perfect. There was nothing more that needed to be added. The SFA writers should have left that alone and just tell their goofy story without it.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I never had an issue with Sam Beckett never making it back myself. Its also not quite the same here as DS9 already had a great ending. Sisko joined the prophets but promises he will back. The final shot is Jake looking out the window as the camera pans away. Perfect. There was nothing more that needed to be added. The SFA writers should have left that alone and just tell their goofy story without it.

Except that Lower Decks already established that Sisko didn't return.

 

[ichab]

I suggest actually watching and paying attention to the episode next time around.

I am NEVER watching that POS again.

 

[Tosk]

Except that Lower Decks already established that Sisko didn't return.

Even if you accept everything Mariner says as fact (which I personally don't), that still would only mean that he had not publicly returned as of 2381.