Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x04 - "No Win Scenario"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Commander Richard, Mar 8, 2023.

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  1. jaime

    jaime Vice Admiral Admiral

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    There has long been, in some places at any rate, a sensible sliding scale on whether a thing in a show or film is suitable in context tbh. This was also the era of NYPD Blue. (A much more adult show, but still pushing boundaries) Or Schindlers List (though somehow Spielberg always gets lower ratings, without needing justification in context — look at Jurassic Park) which are all about *something*.

    Goes back to the difference between ‘Klingon Bastards’ and ‘Fucking Cool’ but fundamentally, it’s about context.

    Personally, in series one, it would have been more fun to get a new Rhihansu naughty word in all the Game Of Thrones bait.
     
  2. fireproof78

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    I see none. Swear words stand out, whether bastard, damn, bitch, or fuck. Trek has just put them in as they could.
     
  3. Yistaan

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    Problem is, we've repeatedly seen in Trek that 18-22 is the norm for Academy years after high school going by the canonical ages of practically all the characters. Kelvin Pike's reaction to Kelvin Ensign Chekov's age of 17 indicates that this youthful age is not the norm. Janeway's age is basically calulated from when she played tennis in high school "nineteen years ago, etc..
     
  4. cooleddie74

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    Kirk Prime entered at 17 but he was probably in the minority for human Cadets.
     
  5. Ianburns252

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    I am 100% agreed that the context of certain words/phrases/visuals does need taking into consideration - for example I think "Klingon bastards" is far removed from "Fucking cool" because it was a film rather than TV and the two mediums do attract different approaches.

    DS9 was shown on BBC2 at 6pm back in the 90s and so for that word to be dropped at a time when many children would be watching TV with no forewarning or attempt to explain the historical implications (UK had nowhere near the Civil Rights Movement of the US and the culture was much more separate from the US' back then so context is lost) would mean, for me, I'd have thought it appropriate to cut the scene if you aren't going to explain why it is important.
     
  6. fireproof78

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    Or maybe education changed from the 23rd to the 24th century and the expectation was to know how you would benefit humanity by 17.
     
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  7. Lord Garth

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    Probably not in Kurtzman Trek. No.

    I think society has progressed in some pockets and regressed in others. We live in a time where Gay Marriage is allowed but Roe v. Wade has been overturned. Not a combination I ever thought I'd see.
     
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  8. jaime

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    In the UK, whilst our culture is and was very different to that the US has to deal with the fall out from, we also studied the American Civil Rights movement and key events in school. Both Primary and Secondary.
    Whilst it isn’t one-for-one relevant (no segregation, Plymouth Rock landing on someone was an unfortunate seaside holiday incident involved boiled sugar goods, and fundamentally Windrush and the Commonwealth being *our* history, which has more in common with an Italian, Polish, or Irish American in the US than what we saw in the nastier side of mid century America — though we did manage to import all the bad somehow through cultural osmosis) the fundamentals of that episode, and the strength and importance of the story mean I would not have cut it at all.
    This was also the era in which Star Trek would often be followed by ‘The Real McCoy’ after all, which dealt with race and race relations in an entirely different way, including comment on problems in the US.
    (‘You know when you’ve been LAPDed’ and ‘blue contacts Bill Clinton’ being stand out things that stick in my memory of the era)
     
  9. Nerys Myk

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    No one has said it’s normal for a 17 year old to be a graduate of a four year university.
    Depends on what part of the year you were born in. If school starts in September everyone born before September is 18, but those born in September and afterwards are 17. Though I have heard of schools that won’t allow kids born later in the year to start school with their “cohorts”. Had a girl friend was born in December of the same year I was. She graduated in the class after mine.
     
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  10. cooleddie74

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    This is true. I graduated high school at 17 and thus could have started college while still 17.
     
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  11. fireproof78

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    I recently hired someone who is 22 years old and has their Master's Degree.
     
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  12. cooleddie74

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    Cochrane may have been a wunderkind if he already had a Doctorate by the time of World War III in 2053.
     
  13. Ianburns252

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    I'm assuming you went to school either to a very good school or after I did and so following a syllabus change as ours still capped at WW2 (maybe Cold War in 6th Form).

    All your points are really good, and I agree with most of them, but in the 90s when it first aired there simply (from the perspective I had) wasn't the knowledge or awareness of these cultural issues but rather it was just a sinister word used to degrade black people.

    I don't recall "The Real McCoy" so I'll trust you on it having that sort of content which would give people a much wider/better understanding. Think the closest I recall was seeing The Fresh Prince episode where Carlton and Will get pulled over for "driving too slowly" but I don't remember anything else aimed at that demographic airing during that time period.
     
  14. Yistaan

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    How do we know he didn't somehow get it during WW3 before 2063?
     
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  15. Farscape One

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    I was 17 when I graduated high school because my birthday is at the end of June. It's certainly possible for someone to start college at 17.
     
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  16. cooleddie74

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    Somehow I doubt it. ;) :lol:
     
  17. Yistaan

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    If this were Star Wars, Jack Crusher would've been the elected head of state of an entire planet by 14 years old and currently be serving his first term as a member of the Federation Council representing an entire sector at 21.
     
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  18. fireproof78

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    With a modified constitutional amendment proposed to allow him to become the youngest Federation president.
     
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  19. cooleddie74

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    And a cameo by Boba Fett.
     
  20. Yistaan

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    Who? Picard would've dropped the title character for a few episodes entirely while exploring the completely unrelated adventures of Din Djarin and Grogu.