Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Commander Richard, Mar 8, 2023.
Hey. We can't have interesting characters here!
Plot twist: Boba is his father Jango all along and Jango turns out to be Picard.
Fresh Prince was same slot more or less yup.
And I went to standard issue inner city schools, and we covered MLK, Rosa Parks (twice, because we did those in primary school too) Transatlantic Slave Trade, Underground Railroad all in various subject areas. (RE, Drama, English, History and Geography) The World Wars were on rotation in history, so if the year above was doing WW1 the year below would be doing WW2. (As a result, I barely studied WW2 in school, because I chose Geography over History at GCSE time) We also covered the Troubles and the history of Ireland.
We even watched Roots in Geography, and covered Windrush straight after the Industrial Revolution in basic History. It segued quite well, especially as I think we were doing North & South or Mill on the Floss within a few years, so immigration wasn’t just about Skin colour, and indentured servitude wasn’t just about plantations. Class awareness was big in the curriculum. Has the benefit of helping kids from diverse backgrounds recognise what they have in common, rather than where their families came from.
This is in an inner city state school — one of the slightly better ones, but it was the curriculum at the time. We only did a bit of Cold War (Cuban missile crisis mostly) what with having just lived through its nominal end.
At the end of the eighties, Doctor Who did its racism/anti-fascist story of the time with Remembrance of the Daleks too.
This stuff was all *there* in public consciousness, and part of the reason was it looked like things were actually getting better. I like to think they actually were getting better. Then the 21st Century happened, and anger and hate were the order of the day again one way or the other.
Which is why DS9 was right to do what it did then, but wouldn’t be able to now without an absolute shitstorm somewhere in the world.
I can't be sure whether to use this...
So I'm going to compromise and keep both.
Fair play mate - it was something that my upbringing in Liverpool completely skipped over but it is likely, with Liverpool being effectively monocultural (particularly in the north of it) that there was no one championing these things.
Really appreciate the education on this stuff mate - easy to forget that my experience isn't necessarily the same as others and, with what you've said, I think you are right that there should have been enough knowledge and understanding (maybe not for a 10 year old Liverpudlian but certainly in the wider community)
That’s our inner cities, same but different. The real north south divide these days sadly except in some cases.
All that education, and we were still lucky to get shop work xD
Aye, for the most part - do think Liverpool (and Newcastle and Sheffield) are worse than most for being monocultural and very inward looking.
Have lived in Manchester, Leeds, and now London and they all have been much more varied, seem to have better integration/mixing of cultures with people of all backgrounds living in close proximity and being a proper community.
I worried for a while that things were getting too ghettoised again, but I think the last ten years (oddly considering how much strife there seems to be stirred up in the media) have seen a bit more improvement. Closer to how I remember it being when I was younger.
The biggest thing that can help with it, I think, is realising you’re all in the same boat. Or tent. Whichever metaphor works best.
It’s something that appeals in Trek, when you’re an inner city kid — well, London — is that for a long time it was one of the few places on TV you could see that same mix of people you were used to. It’s also something a lot of people were into in my social group, and it might be why.
I have to admit, I always assumed Liverpool to be more mixed than you’re making it sound lol.
SF is good for that in general, since you’ve made me think about how Red Dwarf is very diverse — as we call it now, we used to barely notice — and that’s from way back. Craig from Liverpool and Danny from London, and wherever Chris is from. Can’t remember where Norman is from. Later Bobby ups the London quotient a bit. And Chloe and Hattie.
If I am right, Liverpool is somewhere in the 80-85% white range, with the next largest being Asian at 5.7%. The non white population is mainly in the south of the city so those from the North would probably have it closes to 90-95% white. My school year of 100 only had 3 or 4 who would identify as non-white which matches up pretty evenly.
I think you are right that in most areas the community is getting stronger, but you only have to look at what has happened in areas like Halifax/Wakefield/Bradford with huge racial divides to see it isn't over yet.
I was never really woke to that sort of thing when watching it growing up but I remember my mum instilling in me the importance of TOS seeing people from different backgrounds (including a Russian on the bridge) being a really huge thing and showing a better world where people of all races could live and work side by side free from judgement and bigotry
Great shout re: Red Dwarf - on top of that you had the Lister/Kochanski romance when interracial romances were still rare. Pretty sure they are working on a new season soon too!
When LaForge appeared through the door to assist Shaw, did you say...that's the Changeling? I just didn't expect her/its demise would be so quick. Nice work Han..uh 7
I said that's LaForgery.
With Wesley Crusher as the Best Man...
Great. Two weddings he gets edited out of by the studio.
He's going to go all Charlie-X on everyone and rip our entire galaxy out of existence if he keeps getting thrown shade from his old crew like that.
Or "Night Court" from earlier in the decade, with Mac and Quon Le. For sitcoms, both of them deserve far more credit for the wit behind the scripting and acting.
So looking foward to any possible next series of Red Dwarf. Sounds like they got the legal action sorted out and both original writers will be doing their own takes. Will be cool to see how it all unfolds!
Now where's that puns thread?
Never the bride…
Rob Grant wants back in?
Edit: googled. I also got Rob and Doug confused. Doubt I was the first lol.
Yes, I've heard that he does, and the legal issues are worked out. But it sounds like they want to work on separate RD media projects rather than jointly. That's a shame because I thought the best episodes were their collaboration years.
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