Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x04 - "Watcher"

[JoaquinSlowly]

'Not sure why Guinan would recognize Picard in this timeline. I doubt there even was a Data aboard the World Razer.

Oooooh! Good call! Until they right the timeline, Guinan wouldn’t recognize him yet.

Great observation.

 

[DaveyNY]

10

Continuity porn be damned, this was an excellent episode.

Absolutely Loved the bus scene!

FUK Them for leaving us hanging again though.

 

[DaveyNY]

Oooooh! Good call! Until they right the timeline, Guinan wouldn’t recognize him yet.

Great observation.

The timeline doesn't change till the 15th.

It's still the Prime Timeline till then.

Guinan should have the "Times Arrow" memories.
(unless the Watcher's did something to her to make her forget)

 

[Quinton]

Fuck, this season's fire.

Can't believe they got Kirk Thatcher back.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

The timeline doesn't change till the 15th.

It's still the Prime Timeline till then.

That’s arguable, they’re already in Confederation bodies, with a Stargazer from the altered future, indicating that the effects of the change are already felt in the future, and that would directly impact any time travel stories to Earth’s past.

 

[The Rock]

"I still hate you! I still hate you!"

 

[Quinton]

Will someone help me out with that last scene, though? I didn't understand what was up with Q and that gal - was I not supposed to?

 

[DaveyNY]

Q was trying to influence her and failed cause he's lost his powers.

 

[starfleettanner]

Will someone help me out with that last scene, though? I didn't understand what was up with Q and that gal - was I not supposed to?

No idea. Maybe its Zefram Cochrane's future mother?

 

[Markonian]

I don't know who the Watcher is but I hope the revelation is satisfying.

My biggest hope is that Ducane is Ducane. It would be a shame if you can bring back another legacy actor without also reviving their character. "Relativity" is among my Top 10 fav Trek eps ever.

There will be no Sisko, unless someone can convince Avery Brooks to do something he doesn't want to do... and I don't think anybody could persuade Avery Brooks to do something he doesn't want to do.

Perhaps it's time to rescast Sisko? Then the character can reappear across media, like eps and video games (STO).

 

[DaveyNY]

That’s arguable, they’re already in Confederation bodies, with a Stargazer from the altered future, indicating that the effects of the change are already felt in the future, and that would directly impact any time travel stories to Earth’s past.

But the "thing" that creates the future Confederation doesn't happen until the 15th.
So everything before that should still be the normal part of the Prime Timeline.

Don't forget that this timeline is leading up to WW-3, perhaps what ever changes on the 15th prevents the war from happening.

Obviously, the Europa Mission is somehow involved, it's success or failure could be the catalyst that causes or prevents WW-3.

It sounds very similar to the event that Gary-7 was here to fix back in the 60's.
Even Guinan's description of the Supervisors that sent him sound similar.

 

[starfleettanner]

So who is the actress playing 2024 Guinan? She looks so familiar yet I can't figure out where I've seen her.

 

[The Rock]

Did I see Brian Quinn from Impractical Jokers just now in this episode? (I'm watching it for the first time right now.)

 

[Yistaan]

'Supervisors' are back lmao! Complete with the purple door teleporter like Gary Seven had in his safe.

Not sure why Guinan would recognize Picard in this timeline. I doubt there even was a Data aboard the World Razer.

Enterprise with its borg leftover from first contact episode is still officially the prequel to the kelvin timeline where first contact movie didn't happen

 

[trek.]

Maybe the europa launch blows up in 2 days and screws up future formation of starfleet? Q was wearing that patch.

 

[The Rock]

Enterprise with its borg leftover from first contact episode is still officially the prequel to the kelvin timeline where first contact movie didn't happen

Kelvin timeline started when Nero went back in time.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

But the "thing" that creates the future Confederation doesn't happen until the 15th.
So everything before that should still be the normal part of the Prime Timeline.

It isn’t that simple, because if that were the case then Picard and co. wouldn’t/couldn’t be from the altered future, because the future hasn’t been altered yet. Their current forms/the Confederacy’s Stargazer crew and La Sirena, and their experiences escaping the changed future have already disproved the idea that the Prime Timeline is in any way intact. It takes for granted that future events would have to taken place the way they do in the prime timeline in terms of their interactions in the past through time travel in order for the backstory prior to 2024 to remain exactly the same.

‪‪I think the change is already a forgone conclusion without Picard and the crew’s interference, or there would have been no grim future for them to prevent from happening to begin with.

 

[Yistaan]

Kelvin timeline started when Nero went back in time.

Archer and the xindi existed in kelvin, krall even mentioned them

 

[Harpsichord]

Did I see Brian Quinn from Impractical Jokers just now in this episode? (I'm watching it for the first time right now.)

Yeah, picking up the dog from Guinan! I went to check the credits that's definitely him. I thought he looked familiar.

 

[The Rock]

Archer and the xindi existed in kelvin, krall even mentioned them

True, but the prime timeline diverged into the Kelvin timeline when Nero showed up in the prime timeline.