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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x11 - "The Wolf Inside"
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That's at least plausible to me. There has to be something like that to make him want to go back if he is indeed MU Lorca.
Partial credit. Porsche engineered and built it, but Hitler designed it, as the cited article (and my original post) stipulated:
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Hitler didn't design it though. That was Erwin Komenda as your quote rightfully stated (Damn, I should have known this, I learned that in school). The idea he had was a car for everybody, 'a car for the people', (or in German: Volkswagen) which of course was a useful propaganda tool. based on that idea Porsche had to come up with a way to produce very cheap cars that look good. but that's as far as his input in the fished product goes
As regards what data the Defiant incident could yield, remember that basically none of it need come from the starship's databanks. It was the Tholians who engineered the interphase, and Mirror Archer had direct intel on what the Tholians had done long before he gained access to the Defiant. What our heroes here need is Mirror Archer's original intel, then, nothing more and nothing less.
The intel specifies the location of the rift the Tholians will create in a decade, and outlines the means which are dependent on said location and the "dead star" there. It also warns of the risks of traversing the rift. Our heroes now only need to secure a tricobalt warhead, deploy it at the dead star, and enter whilst minding the risks - or then drop the plan altogether, as the intel provides sufficient awareness for that, too.
Timo Saloniemi
The intel specifies the location of the rift the Tholians will create in a decade, and outlines the means which are dependent on said location and the "dead star" there. It also warns of the risks of traversing the rift. Our heroes now only need to secure a tricobalt warhead, deploy it at the dead star, and enter whilst minding the risks - or then drop the plan altogether, as the intel provides sufficient awareness for that, too.
Timo Saloniemi
The whole question of the Defiant databanks is interesting, because it suggests the following.
1. If Mirror Lorca's actions don't change the timeline in any way, everything about the mission (including its ultimate success or failure) should be recorded. Thus Emperor Georgiou should know full well what Lorca has planned ahead of time. Unless some deal was made where Starfleet would not include some of this into official record.
2. On the other hand if there is nothing related to Lorca's actions in the databanks, he basically caused a POD/alternate universe to form by interfering in the timeline.
1. If Mirror Lorca's actions don't change the timeline in any way, everything about the mission (including its ultimate success or failure) should be recorded. Thus Emperor Georgiou should know full well what Lorca has planned ahead of time. Unless some deal was made where Starfleet would not include some of this into official record.
2. On the other hand if there is nothing related to Lorca's actions in the databanks, he basically caused a POD/alternate universe to form by interfering in the timeline.
Of course, as pointed out upthread, every interference (say, those damn butterflies flapping around) results in an alternate universe. And there can be infinitely many of those, including ones where some parameters come together in a not easily comprehensible manner.
It's just that the camera necessarily follows a single specific universe. Except in the case of MU adventures. But here we can freely outsource any discontinuities to the MU: nothing in the RU need change even if Lorca's adventures utterly rearrange one MU / cause a different one to emerge.
Wholly apart from that, there's no pressing need for the adventures of the Discovery to be included in the databanks of the Defiant. Even future supercomputers can only hold so much data; most might well be in a cloud, accessed via subspace.
...Case probably in point, the ISS Shenzhou files having no dirt on what really happened to the ISS Buran.
Timo Saloniemi
It's just that the camera necessarily follows a single specific universe. Except in the case of MU adventures. But here we can freely outsource any discontinuities to the MU: nothing in the RU need change even if Lorca's adventures utterly rearrange one MU / cause a different one to emerge.
Wholly apart from that, there's no pressing need for the adventures of the Discovery to be included in the databanks of the Defiant. Even future supercomputers can only hold so much data; most might well be in a cloud, accessed via subspace.
...Case probably in point, the ISS Shenzhou files having no dirt on what really happened to the ISS Buran.
Timo Saloniemi
bollocks - only romans could be legionaries, 'conquered nations' could serve as auxiliarii; mostly specialist stuff like cavalry - the romans were infantry (+ specialists in siege warfare) and hired anything else, like a greek navy and a 'whoever' cav.
you wouldn't know as you've only seen their timeline
Starfleet are occasionally dumb, but even they - faced with a situation where "Our crew made it back thanks to info from a ship that will in a few years be sent back in time to the MU" - wouldn't go "let's record THAT into that ship's memory banks and just cross our fingers that the MU assholes don't read it".
easy: i want it to make sense - and, really, that's all that's needed
I wouldn't even call it comparable. I'd say the Empire sucks at engineering.
Look at what was happening to mirror Trip in IAMD - Imperial Starfleet engines were leaking radiation like you wouldn't believe, and they either couldn't or wouldn't fix it. Hell, not even Trip himself could. That speaks volumes as to the competency (or lack thereof) of engineers in the MU.
If the Empire seriously tried reverse engineering the Defiant, I doubt they'd get very far.
No, I think you're right - regimes like this obviously care little about safety, and their ideology itself proves they care even less about intelligence. Simply put: fascists are stupid, because fascISM is.
@oberth: Yes, Operation Paperclip was comprised of ex-Nazis. With the emphasis on EX. Once they were removed from the toxic regime where they grew up, that's when they can and did become intelligent.
sure? he said what it should cost and how many volksgenossen should fit in. he also made ferdinand porsche a professor - but that's about it.
Well, I'm glad the inventors of the jet engine and long-range rocketry weren't intelligent BEFORE they were offered amnesty. We'd probably be all enslaved by Nazi nanotech if they were.
FFS.
which means they invented all the stuff they were pulled for in the first place AFTER they were kinda sanitized? or to be more precise they built the v2 after the redstone?
is the stuff you smoke legal your place?
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