Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x11 - "The Wolf Inside"
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Riffing on the “What if the Discovery prevents the Defiant from going into the MU” question.
Since the Defiant is from 13 years in he future and that episode occurs after Kirk and Co visited the MU, it is possible that all that information was in the Defiant’s database and the Emperor knows not only about Kirk’s upcoming visit but about Discovery’s
Furthermore, IF Burnham gets her hands on the Defiant’s computer records there is the possibility that Discovery will have 13 years of information concerning upcoming events. What do they then do with that information?
Since the Defiant is from 13 years in he future and that episode occurs after Kirk and Co visited the MU, it is possible that all that information was in the Defiant’s database and the Emperor knows not only about Kirk’s upcoming visit but about Discovery’s
Furthermore, IF Burnham gets her hands on the Defiant’s computer records there is the possibility that Discovery will have 13 years of information concerning upcoming events. What do they then do with that information?
It's now the USS Come At Me Bro
What if they even find information on the conclusion of the Klingon-Federation war? Even if the documentation of the spore drive is classified, they might still read some historical records there... I'm not sure if they'd care about the Temporal Prime Directive and changing history, but I think Lorca certainly wouldn't have problems using the info.
That had also occurred to me. I don’t think Lorca, assuming he is our Lorca, would have any qualms about using future info to achieve his goals.
The MU timeline split when the defiant showed up in the 22nd century.
Every story from before was set in the old timeline where they don't have defiant technology.
The Mirror Universe is a different Universe, but it still has it's own problems with timelines just like the Prime Universe Does.
Every story from before was set in the old timeline where they don't have defiant technology.
The Mirror Universe is a different Universe, but it still has it's own problems with timelines just like the Prime Universe Does.
looking at the world today, I'm not sure the universe we live in isn't the Mirror Universe. I mean, I even have a goatee. So yes, I guess Lorca is OUR Lorca
If the story would proceed this way, my only hope is that they wouldn't just use this as an excuse to cop out and state outright that Lorca changed history and they're in an alternate timeline from now on...
Actually time traveling in alternate universes cancels out the danger of time travel.
I disagree. It was the intent of the ENT writers that it was the same universe.
The Defiant going back in time always happened, just like with First Contact.
Dulmer and Lucsly...
I don't see any reason to think this. I mean, changing the timelime doesn't necessarily always create two different universes. Kirk et al. did not create split universes in COTEOF, Assignment:Earth, Tomorrow is Yesterday, or STIV:TVH, or Picard and crew in First Contact.
Changing the past may affect history of our universe, but it s not shown to always create different universes.
In which case the terran empire were dummies.
A hundred years later by the time of Mirror Mirror and their tech was still only comparable to a 23rd century Prime Universe Defiant.
I'm willing to accept that fascists are not capable of advancing their science and technology very quickly, even when backwards engineering it after being served up on a silver platter. They raided the Vulcan first contact ship and by ENT they still only had comparable-to-prime-universe tech even with the head start.
It's silly to believe that the events in the MU would be comparable at all to events in the prime universe.
I mean, why would MU Kirk, McCoy, Scotty, and Uhura be beaming up from the Halkan planet at the exact same time (and on almost identical missions there) as our versions of those people, given how different their histories were?
EDIT TO CLARIFY: But we still believe it because we're Trek Fans.
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Points of convergence ?
That works for me. That's probably also a good explanation for how MU Sisko and friends all managed to still end up on Terok Nor.
It also works for me that the reason the Defiant tech did not totally change the MU in 100 years is because (for example) maybe the tech was kept mostly secret and was available only to the emperor. There are probably other reasons I can think of if I cared, but being a Trek fan I'm OK with just accepeting that the Defiant Tech did NOT change things so much that the MU Shenzhou and MU Discivery would be so vastly different than ours...
...or that it didn't change things so much that MU Sisko et al still end up on Terok Nor, or didn't change things so much that MU Kirk still pay a visit to the Halkans.
Unfortunately, WWII Germany wouldn't agree. They invented the first night vision goggles (Nachtjaeger Vampir), the first assault rifles (STG-44), the first infrared wireless mobile communications systems (line-of-sight trench field phones - can't find one online, but I saw a pair of them once at a WWII living history field impressions and they still worked!), the first jet airplanes (ME-262), had some of the most advanced armor in the field (Tigers, Panthers, StuGs), the first rockets (V1 & V2) and they were well on their way to building the first A-Bomb. The VW Beetle was designed by Hitler FFS! Like it or not, for better or for worse, all these inventions propelled the entire post-war world into the space age and a new industrial revolution.
If anything, it was the Communists and not the Fascists (at least, during WWII) who were exceptionally slow and backwards, with very little investment or interest in advanced technologies, relying more on brute strength and sheer numbers to win a war - both of which the Soviets very much had in abundance back then. There were accounts during the war of Soviet soldiers thinking toilets in modern German cities were "potato washers" and stole light bulbs out of street lamps to take them back home, thinking that they would still work to provide light sitting on their dinner table, never understanding what an electrical grid was. Those are just a couple of the ones I remember hearing about.
In short, evil ≠ non-innovative.
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