Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x11 - "The Wolf Inside"
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A slave can be loyal to a master, with there being no sex involved. It depends on the nature and benefits of the relationship.
I saw what Saru did as akin to a dog protecting its owner.
I am thinking, as the emperor is not known as the empress, that the empire is patriarchal. This might be one reason why the emperor is secretive about their identity. I am thinking here Hatshepsut, who concealed her womaness when she was pharoah.
I saw what Saru did as akin to a dog protecting its owner.
I am thinking, as the emperor is not known as the empress, that the empire is patriarchal. This might be one reason why the emperor is secretive about their identity. I am thinking here Hatshepsut, who concealed her womaness when she was pharoah.
Nope
A writer already confirmed the Defiatn we saw on the screen was a terran modified one. Not what a connie would look like in the PU.
The series seems to be falling into one of the Trek staples however - that every main cast member must be given at least a few lines of dialogue per episode, no matter how useless they are to the drama of the week. Without the B plot, there's no reason to show Stamets, and precious little reason to show Tilly.
Discovery has plenty of "tell but not show." This particular episode was littered with it honestly. Aside from spacing a few prisoners, we didn't actually see the Mirror Universe being that terrible, but we got to hear a long monologue from Burnham at the top of the show about how terrible it was.
They were in the debris field at the beginning of the episode.
No, she has her own ship. You see it in the trailer
Nope
Please go on and explain why you think it’s awful.
You are clearly the minority here.
Which is sort of odd since they lined up with the Shenzhou at the end of the previous one, as if intending to go to warp alongside her.
But the trailer FWIW shows the Discovery free of the debris. And Burnham did say she was going to call Saru, supposedly to tell him to take the ship to the coordinates where he could pick up Tyler and the datadisk.
Somewhat clumsy plot complication, that - Burnham being able to upload all the Defiant data on a disk somehow, but then being unable to transmit it. If there're safeguards against transmitting secret data, wouldn't there be those against a skipper uploading secret data, too?
And if that's built on a Constitution, then the original must have been even bigger than JJ Abram's take on it... Perhaps five times bigger!
But the ship being there to upstage Burnham's bombardment of the rebels isn't a plot problem as such. The Emperor must have had plenty of advance warning; heck, her sending Burnham to do the job in the first place may have been a test of some sort, as why would the Emperor decline to terminate the rebellion in person?
Starship movements in the episode are odd in any case. The Shenzhou is at constant warp for "two days" and perhaps more, headed... Nowhere in particular? Wasn't she supposed to go to the Emperor, to Earth, to deliver Lorca? Is the old Shenzhou an exceptionally slow vessel, so that the Discovery can catch her in what seems like an hour at most, even without the spore drive? If so, why is the Emperor's favorite placed in command of that tub?
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After talking about the Defiant so much, they really need to show it. Would be a cop out if they didn't. The Defiant has to be the force behind the Sato Empress lineage. Of course, at this point in the MU, it might be enshrined inside the palace ship.
But what bugged me was that Tilly was trying all this scientific stuff and all the medical staff did was try a defibrillator on him. Work together people! I'm optimistic with the blip in readings he had...hopefully someone believes Tilly on that and keeps Stamets there. MU Stamets or some form of higher being within the continuum? Intriguing!!
I wonder if the data transfer is what tipped off the Empress. There may may have been alert systems in place and she secretly notified.
Yeah, NOTHING happened that you hadn't already predicted weeks ago, eh? Please point me to those posts by you or others predicting all the above...
Exactly!
Major oops!
Umm, Stamets has changed greatly. Tilly is growing leaps and bounds. Michael has learned a lot. Even Lorca appears to have changed by the mid-season finale where he's looking beyond the war. Saru has learned more about himself and leadership and his relationship with Michael.
And, you're wrong about modern TV. Effective serialized shows like GoT and The Expanse develop both the plot and the characters. Exactly what Discovery is doing.
No, Discovery is not perfect. But, it is very entertaining and it has been developing the characters.
Yes, but you have to be successful at it. You're only rewarded upon success. If you fail, you die. MU rules.
I'll grant you Stamets...kind of. At first blush, yes, he appears to've grown from the naïve pacifist who could've stood in for your average Berkleyite to someone with an almost neo-realist point of view...
...but was that our Stamets?
Consider the possibility that the Stamets we've been pleasantly surprised watching grow has been, through the mycelial network, tapping into MU-Stamets or other, parallel versions of himself. Then it's not our Stamets whose been growing. It's the overlaid engrams of other Stamets'.
Tilly, fundamentally, hasn't changed. She's still socially awkward. Still Wesley-ish. Nothing, really, has fundamentally or even superficially changed with her. She's just got more lines now than she did early on.
Lorca. Well, by now we've all been around the ring more than a few times about Lorca, but...how has Lorca actually changed? And it is our Lorca, anyway?
What has happened is that we have gotten more exposure to the characters but that should not be confused with growth (unless, of course, Stamets did shift on his own; a pleasant surprise, that). Growth would be something like, oh, Lorca's admission this week that, perhaps, his time in the agonizer booth was clouding his judgement a tad. A tad. He's actually right and Burnham's wrong but, for the nonce, let's let that pass. If he really, truly thought that, perhaps, utilitarianism/negative consequentialism wasn't the route to go, that would be growth (particularly as he's demonstrated adherence to that philosophy in times past). We'll see, on that point.
Along with the way he predicted access to other universes using the spore drive before the physicist, encouraged it's research almost obsessively, possibly manipulated him into making the "final jump" which took them there "unexpectedly", was the first to realise where they were, came up with the strategy of camouflaging and fitting in and has a doppelganger there who seems to have acted much as we would expect a "prime" starfleet officer to do if they found themselves immersed in such a universe such as after a freak anomaly resulting from the destruction of a warp core?
Hmmm...I don't agree.
We had been given plenty of dialogue from MU crew members that seem to paint them to be quite barbarically cold-hearted, especially Mirror Detmer and Mirror Connor (and Connor's actions in the turbolift). There's that, plus the order Captain Maddox gave to Burham to destroy the base on Halak because, as Captain Maddox stated, "Any exotic species deemed a threat to the Imperial Supremacy will be extinguished without prejudice".
DSC is no more "tell but not show" in presenting the MU to us than TOS: Mirror Mirror was. Besides the threat the MU Enterprise made to the Halkans in Mirror Mirror, what did TOS do with the MU that was so much more "show not tell"?
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Her confidence in her abilities certainly has grown enough to be able to show others those abilities. She is not as timid as she was when it comes to giving her input or helping to figure out a problem.
And that confidence to be able to give input is a symptom of a greater confidence in herself that she has seemed to gain. Is she still socially awkward? Sure, but she is also more confident in her abilities to provide high value as a member of the crew.
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