Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x04 - "The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Oct 8, 2017.

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  1. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Kang, now with ridges Premium Member

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    How'd they fix that problem?
     
  2. Kemaiku

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    "Variable geometry" warpdrive, then eventually warp nacelles that simply "knit" subspace back together afterwards at the aft of the engine (Sovereign class etc) so...typical talky BS that side stepped the issue.
     
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  3. SolarisOne

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    Technically, there never was a canon solution--on screen, DS9 and VOY seemed to ignore it entirely, though in the Voyager writer's "Technical Manual" it was suggested that Voyager's "variable warp geometry" gimmick allowed for travel at arbitrarily high velocity, without causing instability.
     
  4. Mad Jack Wolfe

    Mad Jack Wolfe Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    The warp plasma injectors were refitted with handwavium amplifiers that negated any unwanted instability at ludicrous speeds.
     
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  5. Charles Phipps

    Charles Phipps Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Applied phelobotium by handwavium matrix Maguffin inhibitors.
     
  6. cultcross

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    The difficulty with the spore drive is that they will have to kill it off in a way that prevents it being used even once to make sense why it is never picked up again, eg by Voyager, in times of due emergency. The warp drive issue was a cumulative effect analogous to global warming, and we've seen the spore drive work now without tearing apart the fabric of reality in one trip. We have to get to a point where it can't work at all to make sense. My guess is the tardigrade is irreplaceable, or a Trek style gimmick like every time they use it they shift parallel universes.
     
  7. OpenMaw

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    I just imagine a forest fire event with the spore drive. Like something goes really wrong with one of the jumps and burns the entire network, or a huge mass of it, rendering it useless for centuries. That would be both tragic and open ended. Allowing a future-future Trek to use it again in some fashion.
     
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  8. Noname Given

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    Um, they're pretty much the SAME character. (Seriously, Lorca has the EXACT SAME attitude as Jellico. However Lorca DOES have a better sense of humor.)
     
  9. Guy Gardener

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    Data agreed with Jellico, that everything he wanted was doable, and done.

    Riker and Geordi were whiny wussies, with sadpants nocando attitudes.

    Lorca on the other hand was asking for an impossible miracle, and lucked out, because of outside forces he nor his crew had no control over.
     
  10. Agony_Boothb

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    Lorca is much easier on the eyes than Jellico. I don't think we'd see Landry swooning over Ronny Cox
     
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  11. Guy Gardener

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    You're not thinking about Cox enough.
     
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  12. oberth

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    actually i needed a certain senator from indiana to be able to appreciate his work
     
  13. cultcross

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    Not sure I see it - they share an expectation of excellence (so did Sisko) but Jellico was a stickler for the rules, and Lorca seems the type who goes by his gut, and will ignore pretty much any rule if he thinks he knows better. He has a Kirk streak about him in that regard.

    "Get that Tribble out of the ready room!"
     
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  14. Agony_Boothb

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    I think about cocks frequently... uh I meant cox.. yes....
     
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    What i really don't understand is why are the Klingons trying to destroy the dilithium mining colony on Corvan II instead of capturing it through ground troops.

    If they conquered Corvan, it would have been a huge advantage for them in the war. Even if they weren't successful, troops on the ground would have made the situation for Starfleet much more difficult to deal with.
     
  16. Guy Gardener

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    By "colony" read "refinery", so the Klingons had to break the shields without blowing up the refinery or detonating the stock pile of dilithium under the shields, which might mean that they were using low yield disrupter fire to keep their prize intact, and why it took a dozen hours to collapse the shields, or the shields protecting the refinery might be thousands of times more powerful than those on a Star ship, since they had ignored mostly constant bombardment from half a dozen ships for almost a day.

    What the #### is a foot soldier going to do to get past those dense shields?

    The ground assault comes after the shields fall, which didn't happen until after Discovery arrived.

    Oh?

    If the refinery had a large enough stock pile of Dilithum to keep those shields up for hours, then why couldn't they just blow up their warehouses of dilithium, to kill the 6 ships strafing their shields, and save the federation, lo their own lives are forfeit?

    Remember how fun it was when the oil fields in Kuwait were set on fire by the republican Guard?
     
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  17. ichab

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    Another good episode. These last two is how the series should have started.
     
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  18. Vger23

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    You can see Nicholas Meye's influence early on here (potentially) as this has similar beats to the Regula One Scientists vs Starfleet with regard to the applications of the Genesis Device.
     
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  19. USS Firefly

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    I liked this episode better then the previous one.
    I really feld sorry for ripper an how they tortured him/her.
    If they keep using ripper this way they violate everything the Federation stands for.
     
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  20. oberth

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    fixed it for you - remember if picard use kirk-type solutions he'd face a court martial every 2nd episode
     
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