So name a Star Trek moment that you just didn't "get".

[borgboy]

The Trills are pretty inconsistent. Especially in the original episode's content, since later they change the entire look of the race, and the way the symbiote interacts with the host. The Host episode acts as if the symbiote dominates control of the host, while later it seems more like the symbiote is a collection of memories for the host to draw on.

 

[kirkfan]

The Trills are pretty inconsistent. Especially in the original episode's content, since later they change the entire look of the race, and the way the symbiote interacts with the host. The Host episode acts as if the symbiote dominates control of the host, while later it seems more like the symbiote is a collection of memories for the host to draw on.

And later we see Ezri interact with one of Dax' previous host as if he was in the room. She did it all by herself and was able to undo it all the same. So why did Jadzia need the help of people from Trill AND borrow the bodies of her friends to do pretty much the same thing? That doesn't make much sense. Why would you do things a certain way if there was a much easier way to do them? Plus when Jadzia interacted with Joran; he tried to strangle her, for no apparent reason. Ezri didn't have that problem even though she talked to Joran a great deal longer than Jadzia did.

 

[Captain Kathryn]

The Trills are pretty inconsistent. Especially in the original episode's content, since later they change the entire look of the race, and the way the symbiote interacts with the host. The Host episode acts as if the symbiote dominates control of the host, while later it seems more like the symbiote is a collection of memories for the host to draw on.

And later we see Ezri interact with one of Dax' previous host as if he was in the room. She did it all by herself and was able to undo it all the same. So why did Jadzia need the help of people from Trill AND borrow the bodies of her friends to do pretty much the same thing? That doesn't make much sense. Why would you do things a certain way if there was a much easier way to do them? Plus when Jadzia interacted with Joran; he tried to strangle her, for no apparent reason. Ezri didn't have that problem even though she talked to Joran a great deal longer than Jadzia did.

Omg that thing with Joran!

 

[borgboy]

I could imagine that the way Jadzia did it was the formalized ritual version, but it's possible - but possibly unsafe - to do it the way Ezri did.

 

[LMFAOschwarz]

Sometimes, the "I don't get it" stuff can come in the form of tiny little things. For example, in TNG's 1101001, when departing from the bridge during the ship evacuation, Geordi says "That's it. I think we're the last", and Data responds "I hope we are", Geordi does an odd thing in the turbolift right before the doors close. He appears to raise the back of his hand to the side of his face. I have no idea what he's supposed to be doing there.

 

[kirkfan]

Sometimes, the "I don't get it" stuff can come in the form of tiny little things. For example, in TNG's 1101001, when departing from the bridge during the ship evacuation, Geordi says "That's it. I think we're the last", and Data responds "I hope we are", Geordi does an odd thing in the turbolift right before the doors close. He appears to raise the back of his hand to the side of his face. I have no idea what he's supposed to be doing there.

It's funny. I've seen this several times and never noticed that.

 

[Orphalesion]

One I was reminded of today while walking through a perfume department. In "Angel One" Data is confused at what perfume is for and Troi (I think) tells him that it's an aphrodisiac, cue everybody smiling about Data asking what an "aphrodisiac" is.

Uhm....isn't that a bit of a weird definition of perfume? Maybe it's just me but isn't the main function of perfume/cologne/whatever to cover up body odor? Does nobody in the 24th century perspire?

 

[kirkfan]

One I was reminded of today while walking through a perfume department. In "Angel One" Data is confused at what perfume is for and Troi (I think) tells him that it's an aphrodisiac, cue everybody smiling about Data asking what an "aphrodisiac" is.

Uhm....isn't that a bit of a weird definition of perfume? Maybe it's just me but isn't the main function of perfume/cologne/whatever to cover up body odor? Does nobody in the 24th century perspire?

It definitely was it's main function originally, in the King's court when people bathed a couple of times in a lifetime. I am not exaggerating, Louis the 14th has taken a total of two baths in his whole life!

 

[Orphalesion]

It definitely was it's main function originally, in the King's court when people bathed a couple of times in a lifetime. I am not exaggerating, Louis the 14th has taken a total of two baths in his whole life!

I know. And Queen Elisabeth the first was reported to take "a bath once a month, whether she needs to or not." And they didn't mean dirty by that in the days of Good Queen Bess people only bathed when they were sick. So she was actually remarked upon for bathing unusually often

 

[kirkfan]

It definitely was it's main function originally, in the King's court when people bathed a couple of times in a lifetime. I am not exaggerating, Louis the 14th has taken a total of two baths in his whole life!

I know. And Queen Elisabeth the first was reported to take "a bath once a month, whether she needs to or not." And they didn't mean dirty by that in the days of Good Queen Bess people only bathed when they were sick. So she was actually remarked upon for bathing unusually often

People were sickened by the smell of soap back then.

 

[JWPlatt]

Has this come up before in the thread?

Watching the TOS reruns in my early teens, I didn't understand Uhura's "Sorry, neither!" to Zulu's "fair maiden" line in "Naked Time." Besides not understand the meaning, I actually couldn't discern the words. Nichelle Nichols has since explained it numerous times.

She ad-libbed the line during rehearsals. It earned a "Getting Crap Past the Radar" trope on TVTropes.org, a reference to getting the line past the network censors because it wasn't in the script.

 

[Silvercrest]

But that line is in the Blish adaptation. James Blish didn't even have access to the final scripts, at least earlier on. Would he have known about ad-libs?

 

[CorporalCaptain]

A listing on TVTropes.org doesn't mean that it was unscripted, especially since TVTropes.org makes no claim regarding that.

 

[Tiberius]

Sometimes, the "I don't get it" stuff can come in the form of tiny little things. For example, in TNG's 1101001, when departing from the bridge during the ship evacuation, Geordi says "That's it. I think we're the last", and Data responds "I hope we are", Geordi does an odd thing in the turbolift right before the doors close. He appears to raise the back of his hand to the side of his face. I have no idea what he's supposed to be doing there.

It's funny. I've seen this several times and never noticed that.

I never noticed it either, and I just watched the scene specifically looking for it.

 

[Greg Cox]

But that line is in the Blish adaptation. James Blish didn't even have access to the final scripts, at least earlier on. Would he have known about ad-libs?

If it's in the novelization, it was almost surely in the original script. Trust me, we don't get updates on ad-libs!

And back in the Sixties, before email or fax machines? No way.

 

[kirkfan]

But that line is in the Blish adaptation. James Blish didn't even have access to the final scripts, at least earlier on. Would he have known about ad-libs?

If it's in the novelization, it was almost surely in the original script. Trust me, we don't get updates on ad-libs!

And back in the Sixties, before email or fax machines? No way.

That makes sense.

 

[JWPlatt]

A listing on TVTropes.org doesn't mean that it was unscripted, especially since TVTropes.org makes no claim regarding that.

Well gosh, does it mean anything if Nichelle Nichols was the source of that explanation?

 

[Silvercrest]

Not necessarily. Is she saying all these years she's had the original script memorized and still knows what was in it and what wasn't? I don't credit people with that much memory. No offense to the lady or to you — but decades after the fact, people can get things wrong.

Anyway, it would have to be explained how James Blish adapted the episode from an earlier version of the script and it still has that line in it. The show wasn't broadcast in England at the time he was writing; the script was all he had to work with. And it's pretty obvious he didn't have access to the final version -- there are some odd deviations between the episodes and the adaptations. In one case the title changed! Like Greg said, he didn't get updates on ad-libs. So any final dialogue that Blish used was certainly scripted.

 

[JWPlatt]

I'm not saying you can believe everything on the internet, but the story about the ad-lib is pervasive. And it is my recollection that she told the story to us at a Philadelphia Star Trek convention I attended in 1975 in the larger context of her speech about being inspired to keep her role by MLK.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I'm not saying you can believe everything on the internet, but the story about the ad-lib is pervasive. And it is my recollection that she told the story to us at a Philadelphia Star Trek convention I attended in 1975 in the larger context of her speech about being inspired to keep her role by MLK.

Oh, it was told in the larger context of the MLK tall tale? *percontation point* Then it must be true.