So name a Star Trek moment that you just didn't "get".

[TRON JA307020]

I caught part of ST2009 earlier this week on cable. I just watched a part of it where Kirk and PrimeSpock meet up with Scotty.
I can accept the whole transwarp beaming thing but there's a big problem. You can't beam front point A to point B if you don't know where point B is. Regardless if it is moving or not.
All they knew of the location of the Enterprise was that it was going from Vulcan to meet up with the fleet. You can't tell me that the broken down shuttlecraft inside of some big building was able to establish a lock on the position of the Enterprise. Moving in subspace or not.
Aww the rest of the movie's BS anyway. What do I care.

Well Spock probably scanned the likely route the enterprise was taking and was able to locate the ship. A better question would be if Scotty was thinking of transwarp beaming in 2258 and Prime Spock has just come from 2389 with a way to put Scottys theory in practice why did it take so long for someone to make it a reality especially Spock? I mean it took more than a 130 years for someone(Spock in this case) to try it, not even perfect it and use it with more primitive transporters? Considering Spocks genius or even other genius people in 24th century Starfleet such as Data and Geordi they could not perfect such a useful tool as transwarp beaming with their superior 24th century transporters but Spock finally decided to try it with 23rd century transporters. Doesn't make sense to me. I also thought the movie wasn't so good and the whole transwarp beaming bugged me and was just another one of a long string of plot holes in the movie.

 

[fireproof78]

I caught part of ST2009 earlier this week on cable. I just watched a part of it where Kirk and PrimeSpock meet up with Scotty.
I can accept the whole transwarp beaming thing but there's a big problem. You can't beam front point A to point B if you don't know where point B is. Regardless if it is moving or not.
All they knew of the location of the Enterprise was that it was going from Vulcan to meet up with the fleet. You can't tell me that the broken down shuttlecraft inside of some big building was able to establish a lock on the position of the Enterprise. Moving in subspace or not.
Aww the rest of the movie's BS anyway. What do I care.

Well Spock probably scanned the likely route the enterprise was taking and was able to locate the ship. A better question would be if Scotty was thinking of transwarp beaming in 2258 and Prime Spock has just come from 2389 with a way to put Scottys theory in practice why did it take so long for someone to make it a reality especially Spock? I mean it took more than a 130 years for someone(Spock in this case) to try it, not even perfect it and use it with more primitive transporters? Considering Spocks genius or even other genius people in 24th century Starfleet such as Data and Geordi they could not perfect such a useful tool as transwarp beaming with their superior 24th century transporters but Spock finally decided to try it with 23rd century transporters. Doesn't make sense to me. I also thought the movie wasn't so good and the whole transwarp beaming bugged me and was just another one of a long string of plot holes in the movie.

I always took it as an untested theory, but one Spock used due to the duress of the situation. Scotty would know how to calibrate the period transporters, and the transporters have been demonstrated to be most effective when both target locations are stationary, hence why the theory works.

Also, the attitude towards transporters in the alternate universe seems to limit their effectiveness, possibly due to the reason Scotty gives. Spock's sharing of that theory might actually improve how much they use the transporter.

Or it could just be a continuation of the trope of "what's wrong with the transporter this week?"

 

[eyeresist]

You can't beam front point A to point B if you don't know where point B is. Regardless if it is moving or not.
All they knew of the location of the Enterprise was that it was going from Vulcan to meet up with the fleet. You can't tell me that the broken down shuttlecraft inside of some big building was able to establish a lock on the position of the Enterprise. Moving in subspace or not.

Maybe transporter pads emit locator signals?

 

[Richard Baker]

The NuTrek transporters were different- they could lock on to falling objects if the script needed them to. Perhaps the theory Scotty came up with worked better with the rebooted universe hardware?

 

[B.J.]

^I don't see why that's any different than before. (I understand the need for drama, though.) Relative to the Enterprise, the people you're beaming up are going to be moving anyway, and not in a simple straight line either. Unless of course they're in a stationary orbit, which I don't think we've ever seen.

 

[fireproof78]

The NuTrek transporters were different- they could lock on to falling objects if the script needed them to. Perhaps the theory Scotty came up with worked better with the rebooted universe hardware?

I took the nu-Transporters to be different in that they are the most precise machines out there and it doesn't take much to knock them off their rocker. Even the transporter tech tells Kirk and Sulu to hold still. The computer simply wasn't designed to factor in gravitational effects. Chekov does it on the fly because he can do the math, and Scotty just needed correct information to apply the trans-warp beaming theory.

Its about as technobabble as Trek has ever had, it just is not explicitly said.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

The NuTrek transporters were different- they could lock on to falling objects if the script needed them to. Perhaps the theory Scotty came up with worked better with the rebooted universe hardware?

I took the nu-Transporters to be different in that they are the most precise machines out there and it doesn't take much to knock them off their rocker. Even the transporter tech tells Kirk and Sulu to hold still. The computer simply wasn't designed to factor in gravitational effects. Chekov does it on the fly because he can do the math, and Scotty just needed correct information to apply the trans-warp beaming theory.

Its about as technobabble as Trek has ever had, it just is not explicitly said.

Those aren't just run-of-the-mill gravitational effects. The gravitational field of Vulcan is in flux because of singularity being created in the center of it. It's possible that a computer would have trouble getting a lock because of that.

 

[fireproof78]

The NuTrek transporters were different- they could lock on to falling objects if the script needed them to. Perhaps the theory Scotty came up with worked better with the rebooted universe hardware?

I took the nu-Transporters to be different in that they are the most precise machines out there and it doesn't take much to knock them off their rocker. Even the transporter tech tells Kirk and Sulu to hold still. The computer simply wasn't designed to factor in gravitational effects. Chekov does it on the fly because he can do the math, and Scotty just needed correct information to apply the trans-warp beaming theory.

Its about as technobabble as Trek has ever had, it just is not explicitly said.

Those aren't just run-of-the-mill gravitational effects. The gravitational field of Vulcan is in flux because of singularity being created in the center of it. It's possible that a computer would have trouble getting a lock because of that.

That too.

The red matter adds in an unknown variable that a computer probably cannot accommodate.

Also, quantum

 

[Smellmet]

The NuTrek transporters were different- they could lock on to falling objects if the script needed them to. Perhaps the theory Scotty came up with worked better with the rebooted universe hardware?

I took the nu-Transporters to be different in that they are the most precise machines out there and it doesn't take much to knock them off their rocker. Even the transporter tech tells Kirk and Sulu to hold still. The computer simply wasn't designed to factor in gravitational effects. Chekov does it on the fly because he can do the math, and Scotty just needed correct information to apply the trans-warp beaming theory.

Its about as technobabble as Trek has ever had, it just is not explicitly said.

Those aren't just run-of-the-mill gravitational effects. The gravitational field of Vulcan is in flux because of singularity being created in the center of it. It's possible that a computer would have trouble getting a lock because of that.

The centre of the planet was being sucked in by a black hole, there's every chance they were falling faster than normal.

 

[urbandefault]

I took the nu-Transporters to be different in that they are the most precise machines out there and it doesn't take much to knock them off their rocker. Even the transporter tech tells Kirk and Sulu to hold still. The computer simply wasn't designed to factor in gravitational effects. Chekov does it on the fly because he can do the math, and Scotty just needed correct information to apply the trans-warp beaming theory.

Its about as technobabble as Trek has ever had, it just is not explicitly said.

Those aren't just run-of-the-mill gravitational effects. The gravitational field of Vulcan is in flux because of singularity being created in the center of it. It's possible that a computer would have trouble getting a lock because of that.

The centre of the planet was being sucked in by a black hole, there's every chance they were falling faster than normal.

Not to mention the fact that they were already in the process of transporting several other people. There was no time to establish a separate lock on another person.

 

[F. King Daniel]

"Gravitational sensors are off ze scale" says Chekov. Explained as well as anything in Trek.

 

[propita]

^That never made sense to me, either. And as humanity was not interested in significantly expanding the Federation's borders, it's not as though any territory occupied by the Borg would have been threatened by the Federation.

--Sran

And, since they've assimilated Federation citizens and technology, they really don't need any more of them, do they?

The Borg always want to improve and only want the best (which is why they didn't bother with the Kazon), but surely, tasting each race and technology is enough, if the taste is enough. Why bother again so soon?

They got some of Federation and some of Romulan--leave them alone until they're worth taking again. Otherwise, they're risking assimilating mediocre specimens and already-bought tech.

 

[T'Girl]

The computer simply wasn't designed to factor in gravitational effects. Chekov does it on the fly because he can do the math

But if you're falling through an atmosphere, after a short period of time you reach terminal velocity and cease to accelerate. You fall at a fairly stead rate of speed.

Also, after Kirk and Sulu beamed to the ship, Spock went to the surface where Amanda was able to walk normally, so the gravity could not have been that different.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

But if you're falling through an atmosphere, after a short period of time you reach terminal velocity and cease to accelerate. You fall at a fairly stead rate of speed.

But vary any of the parameters defining the terminal velocity, and the terminal velocity varies. Under a variable gravitational field, there is no fixed terminal velocity, assuming all other parameters remain constant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_velocity#Physics

 

[JWPlatt]

The atmosphere, for one, is also falling toward the center of the planet, which is not the case considered in terminal velocity where the air is predominately stable. i.e., when one is skydiving, it's not usually during violent up- or down-draft conditions.