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Worst Captain in Star Trek

True, it does make him look incapable of making any decisions on his own. He might be a bit too by the book.

Also can be interpreted as a captain who is more about covering his ass than getting anything done.
Yep. On the other hand, given that something with the potential to be a doomsday weapon was involved, Starfleet may have deliberately assigned a captain who they knew they could keep on a tight leash, and then ordered him not to take any liberties.
 
Yep. On the other hand, given that something with the potential to be a doomsday weapon was involved, Starfleet may have deliberately assigned a captain who they knew they could keep on a tight leash, and then ordered him not to take any liberties.

Plus the extremely delicate political situation. And the fact Grissom was a science vessel, not a combat ship like the BoP. Estaban was not a combat officer and was not expecting combat.
 
I forgot to add... someone asked if the Mutara sector was inside Federation space.

I don't think it was ever explicitly stated, but it's VERY strongly indicated that it was.

This would mean that Starfleet might not have felt the need to send a more heavily armed ship to Genesis. Or another as a guard for the Grissom. (Which, honestly, given it seemed to be in somewhat close proximity to Klingon space, was stupid, politics or not.)

That Klingon lawyer calling for Kirk's head in TVH made me laugh , particularly after Sarek (correctly) made several points about what Kruge did before Kirk even showed up.

Your guy trespassed into Federation space, destroyed a Federation science vessel, killed Federation citizens, stole top secret Federation information (Genesis project)... but Kirk was the bad guy here because he stopped Kruge and took his ship? I'll give him points for being ballsy enough to even entertain that idea in front of others, but damn did that make them look stupid.
 
Hmm. I wonder whether Starfleet thought that deploying a more high-profile ship to the Mutara sector might attract more attention, while a lone science ship would go relatively unnoticed?

Though if the Klingons didn't notice and have a lot of questions about the disappearance of a nebula and the appearance of a planet (and possibly a star?), then.. I dunno, would the Klingons be more likely to be on the lookout for and/or alarmed by ship movements than by the detonation of the Genesis Device?

I've assumed the Mutara Sector was in Federation space, but it also feels as though we have to assume it was fairly close to Klingon space.
 
I forgot to add... someone asked if the Mutara sector was inside Federation space.

I don't think it was ever explicitly stated, but it's VERY strongly indicated that it was.

This would mean that Starfleet might not have felt the need to send a more heavily armed ship to Genesis. Or another as a guard for the Grissom. (Which, honestly, given it seemed to be in somewhat close proximity to Klingon space, was stupid, politics or not.)

That Klingon lawyer calling for Kirk's head in TVH made me laugh , particularly after Sarek (correctly) made several points about what Kruge did before Kirk even showed up.

Your guy trespassed into Federation space, destroyed a Federation science vessel, killed Federation citizens, stole top secret Federation information (Genesis project)... but Kirk was the bad guy here because he stopped Kruge and took his ship? I'll give him points for being ballsy enough to even entertain that idea in front of others, but damn did that make them look stupid.
I think it's the same kind of logic that would blame the US for detonating atomic bombs on Japan regardless of the actions that had precipitated that decision. Essentially, while the Klingons did some bad things, the development (and use) of Genesis had destabilized the balance of power to the point that the Klingons were justified in their own actions by comparison.
 
I think it's the same kind of logic that would blame the US for detonating atomic bombs on Japan regardless of the actions that had precipitated that decision. Essentially, while the Klingons did some bad things, the development (and use) of Genesis had destabilized the balance of power to the point that the Klingons were justified in their own actions by comparison.
The difference being those bombs were dropped in Japan, while the Genesis device exploding happened in Federation space, NOT in Klingon space or on their worlds.

Had it occured in Klingon space, I might agree with you.
 
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