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So name a Star Trek moment that you just didn't "get".

enterprisecvn65, you are right on target with that, its one of the most ridiculous scenes in Trekdom. Earlier in the film, Picard actually states "they are trying to figure out how an old Bird of Prey can tackle the Federation flagship"! Even after taking the initial torpedo hits, the Ents weapons were obviously still online, as they were able to fire phasers. If they cut lose with all available phasers and photon torpedoes, the BOP was toast. Its an assinine scene, simply thrown in to crash the Enterprise.

True it didn't have the shields to withstand a full assault by the Enterprises weapons, which makes me question why they even attempted it in the first place unless Lursa and Betor had some kind of death wish.
 
I never got the "argument" between McCoy and Spock over the Genesis device in STWOK. Spock simply explains how the machine would work, when McCoy goes apesh*t and says he was talking about "universal armeggeddon"(he wasn't) and then starts calling Spock various racist names, for no apparent reason. McCoy comes off as either crazy, drunk, or both, and the whole scene seems forced.

I agree, it feels like they removed parts of that scene that would have explained whatever happened there. They did the same with Nero. I am told that there was initially some explanations as to his obsession with Spock and to see him suffer, but these explanations were cut out from... the final cut.

There are some added lines from the directors edition that were cut, it's not much but it does add a little to McCoy's reaction.

McCoy of course sees this something dreadful that could be used to destroy life on a never before seen scale and questions the morality of them working on a project like this.

Spock on the other hand simply sees it as the natural progression of mankind being able to build more and more destructive weapons, despite the fact this one can also create life.

So in Spock's opinion this is nothing surprising given mankind's history and he's very dispassionate about it.

McCoy of course is horrified by the potential destruction genesis could cause and he gets worked up about it as well as Spock's apparent lack of concern about what it could lead to.

Spock then tells McCoy he needs to "Govern his Passions" and says logic suggests.....which he never gets to finish because McCoy has had enough of Spock's unemotional response to this and loses it and he calls him the green blooded inhuman, before Savvik interrupts with the news of Reliant.

So even though it's not a lot they cut out it does show McCoy's concern but trying to remain calm at first, but quickly loses it when he can't seem to get it through Spock's dispassionate head just how terrible this could be and it's not some logical run of the mill development in weapons' technology that Spock feels it is.
 
In the TNG episode "Masks", there is this whole problem with the ship being turned into this ancient civilization, and Data has multiple personality disorder, and everything is just going haywire, but in the end, the solution was that Picard could fool this "goddess" by simply putting on a mask and pretending to be this goddess's enemy? It seemed a relatively too simple solution to the problem, and pretty ridiculous in my opinion. It was solved too quickly in the last few minutes of the show.
 
In the TNG episode "Masks", there is this whole problem with the ship being turned into this ancient civilization, and Data has multiple personality disorder, and everything is just going haywire, but in the end, the solution was that Picard could fool this "goddess" by simply putting on a mask and pretending to be this goddess's enemy? It seemed a relatively too simple solution to the problem, and pretty ridiculous in my opinion. It was solved too quickly in the last few minutes of the show.

What I find the most absurd in that episode is the mere idea that some advanced culture would spend considerable energy and effort into making this "library" whose main function is apparently to turn passing starships into rocks, swamps, and snakes.. Imagine a bunch technologically advanced people around a table saying something like: "So we have all these resources that we don't need, what should we do with them?"

"what about a thing that turns random starships into rocks for no reason?"

"Hey, that's actually a great Idea! Why didn't I think of that before?"


Seriously...:rolleyes:
 
enterprisecvn65, you are right on target with that, its one of the most ridiculous scenes in Trekdom. Earlier in the film, Picard actually states "they are trying to figure out how an old Bird of Prey can tackle the Federation flagship"! Even after taking the initial torpedo hits, the Ents weapons were obviously still online, as they were able to fire phasers. If they cut lose with all available phasers and photon torpedoes, the BOP was toast. Its an assinine scene, simply thrown in to crash the Enterprise.

It just stuns me though that, in addition to destroying the Enterprise, the scene manages to destroy everything we had been taught to believe about Will Riker over 7 seasons of TNG. In one scene he goes from the best of what starfleet has to offer, to a guy who immediately panics and basically does nothing except run away in an attempt to survive.....especially when there were so many other options available that the TNG Riker would have used in a second that probably would have won the battle.

Compare this to Kirk in TWOK, setting aside his negligence in raising the shields when Reliant was approaching, once the Reliant attacked he didn't just start freaking out and yelling "Get us out of here".....He's giving orders to Sulu to try and get the shields up, he's calling down to Scott to get a status on how badly they are damaged and if they have enough to fire back, he's assessing the situation with Spock....and so on. He's clearly in shock given a fellow Federation ship just attacked them,but he's not freaking out and, even though he realizes there's not much he can do given how badly the Enterprise was hit, he's still in command and doing all he can to try and save the ship and crew.

I don't know how power Frakes had over his character, but if he did have and say I can't believe he let this scene stand.

Nimoy freaked out when Roddenberry made him wear that silly IDIC necklace in a crass marketing ploy, even though it didn't hurt Spock as a character in the least other than he had this weird necklace on for a few scenes.

In Generations the Enterprise is lost under Riker's command to an inferior opponent and, despite 7 seasons of actions that would suggest the contrary, he's totally incapable of reacting properly and he didn't have a clue on the best course of action to take.......Talk about a character trashing.
 
How does Dmitri Valtane "die" in "Flashback" but is seen smiling on the Excelsior at the end of TUC?

Easy: Tuvok's memory was faulty. Valtane only dies in Tuvok's flashback; just assume that wasn't accurate. Memories sometimes aren't.

Thing is, it was Valtane's death that caused the alien organism manifested as the girl falling of the cliff memory to leap from Valtane to Tuvok, which is what gets the ball rolling in the episode. The organism coming from Valtane is a fact: we see him among the montage of all the other people the organism was attached to at the end. I guess it can be explained that Valtane actually died at a later point, sometime after TUC. But the whole thing is the result of sloppy writing.
 
I suppose, that would explain why Sulu got away with covering the mission up in his log by saying the ship had routine repairs. Routine repairs and there's a body in the morgue?

Actually, that's something I never "got." Why does Voyager have such useless info in its database, like a log entry from Sulu talking about routine repairs, but whenever the Enterprise D needed information from another ship's logs they needed to request it from Starfleet Command?
 
Tuvok's memory is completely out of whack. Kirk and McCoy weren't arrested until months after the explosion of Praxis, not TWO DAYS!!!
 
How does Dmitri Valtane "die" in "Flashback" but is seen smiling on the Excelsior at the end of TUC?

Easy: Tuvok's memory was faulty. Valtane only dies in Tuvok's flashback; just assume that wasn't accurate. Memories sometimes aren't.

I'm just going to assume that Tuvok's faulty memory was also responsible for Grace Lee Whitley's stiff acting in that episode. ;)

Well, he also "remembered" Janeway being addressed by Sulu there so...
 
I never understood why the series' always had the ships in orbit with the planet to port or starboard; never with the dorsal or ventral sensor domes facing the planets.

It's probably just a starfleet regulation. Also, it would be in keeping with naval tradition to have the "port" side of the ship facing the planet.
 
^ We always hear about "standard orbit"...probably this protocol includes the normal way for a starship to orient itself vs. any planet it is, well, orbiting. :)
 
^ We always hear about "standard orbit"...probably this protocol includes the normal way for a starship to orient itself vs. any planet it is, well, orbiting. :)

Orbiting a planet the same way it's spinning saves energy, both when you enter orbit and when you leave it.
 
^ We always hear about "standard orbit"...probably this protocol includes the normal way for a starship to orient itself vs. any planet it is, well, orbiting. :)

Orbiting a planet the same way it's spinning saves energy, both when you enter orbit and when you leave it.
That's only true if you're going to/from the surface. Doesn't make a bit of difference otherwise.
 
The entire episode of "Masks".

The fact that during Jadzia's zhian'tara they showed Jadzia as never knowing how Curzon felt towards her and also did not know why Curzon washed her out of the initiate program. If she had all of his memories, she should have known all of that already. Also the fact that they can telepathically insert different consciousnesses from the symbiont into random people who aren't even the same species doesn't add up. Trills aren't even telepathic. I know the symbionts are but still. Also the Curzon-Odo.
 
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The entire episode of "Masks".
Yes, as much as mask is entertaining, it is downright stupid if you stop to think about it.

The fact that during Jadzia's zhian'tara they showed Jadzia as never knowing how Curzon felt towards her and also did not know why Curzon washed her out of the initiate program. If she had all of his memories, she should have known all of that already. Also the fact that they can telepathically insert different consciousnesses from the symbiont into random people who aren't even the same species doesn't add up. Trills aren't even telepathic. I know the symbionts are but still. Also the Curzon-Odo.
Nothing about the Trill makes sense. How they started for example. I mean the first joint Trill ever, why did he do it? Plus since the symbionts seem helpless and needy when without a host then who would have taken care of them before there was a host, and why? I mean without the joining, that's like a very expensive goldfish. Anyway, I for one take anything Trill with the proverbial grain of salt.
 
I think the symbiotes can sustain themselves in the water, but it is puzzling to figure out how the Trills ever figured out how to join with them and why they would try. The Trills even seem evolved to aid in the joining with their pouches.
I vaguely have the idea that symbiote was blocking Jadzia's access to some of Curzon's memories thru the power of Curzon's will - or something. I can't even begin to explain how the zhian'tara works. Maybe the symbiotes are sort of telepathic?
 
I think the symbiotes can sustain themselves in the water, but it is puzzling to figure out how the Trills ever figured out how to join with them and why they would try. The Trills even seem evolved to aid in the joining with their pouches.
I vaguely have the idea that symbiote was blocking Jadzia's access to some of Curzon's memories thru the power of Curzon's will - or something. I can't even begin to explain how the zhian'tara works. Maybe the symbiotes are sort of telepathic?

In Rules Of Engagement , Jadzia says that though Curzon was an expert in the klingons, she only has a passing familiarity with them. How is that even possible if she has all his memories? She should be an expert as well. That's why I don't pay much attention to Trill stuff. Because it's like the writers don't even try to be consistent with past stories. It's like it's the last thing on their to do list.
 
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