Spoilers On Seven and sexuality

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by rfmcdpei, Feb 22, 2020.

  1. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

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    OK, at the time I probably would have read that as him offering to coach her on the subject of sexuality. But yeah, when you look at it the other way...
     
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  2. cooleddie74

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    Didn't see it as sexual, just two old confidantes and one taunting the other after turning on both her and somebody that the latter regarded as family. She was getting under Seven's skin and being sadistic for the sake of breaking her down.
     
  3. Dix

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    Absolutely none. If anything, I'd say Seven would be asexual. She had tried forming some interpersonal relationships, especially with the help of the good Doctor, but she always left an impression of actually being asexual. It's incredibly low chance that she would become a lesbian, i.e. sexually and/or romantically involved with a woman. Such a sexual orientation, which is somewhat subtly hinted at in that brief interaction with that other woman, is just another misinterpretation of the character by those bad hack writers. She's depicted as being too human, even being a drunkard, revenge-obsessed boozer. Talk about ruining a good Trek character.

    It was utter crap. Terrible acting, awful writing, meaningless dialogs, not one memorable or intelligent thing uttered by any of the characters, including Picard, who always used to have some wisdom to share. Episode 5 is absolute garbage. The writer ought to be fired. Some fan productions have far better plot, dialogue, philosophy, sets, costumes, etc. and more faithful to Trek.

    Into a direction of Star Trek, actually. Justifying the name Star Trek in its title. Some thought-provoking, intelligent, cerebral science-fiction writing, with the classic Trek philosophical underpinnings and the human adventure factor, exploration of the human psyche and spirit as well as the outer space. Let's say, Picard on a mission as an ambassador to a new world, not cosplaying as a pirate with a bad, cringy French accent in some bar. But I guess it's expecting too much from those hacks. As long as they're in charge, we won't get a series that justifies its name Star Trek. There needs to be an entirely new creative team, with new creative direction towards Trek core philosophy, without pandering to some stupid popular trends.
     
  4. Guy Gardener

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    Barclay programmed the Doctor's interpersonal sub routines.

    Talk about being dealt a dud hand at birth.
     
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  5. Hythlodeus

    Hythlodeus Commodore Commodore

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    So, you would prefer an allegory of, let's say, the Syrian refugee crisis of 2015 and the inner turmoil and destabilization it brought to the European Union, the politicization of a humanitarian crisis to strengthen isolationist movements in Europe and the philosophical discrepancies leading to the the seperation of a former member from the EU as a direct and indirect result to Star Trek Picard?

    edit: Oh, sorry, I forgot to add, since it's a sci-fi allegory it is obviously set in space.
     
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  6. Crewman6

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    I think the far more pertinent question is:

    Do you think Bjayzl vajazzles?
     
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  8. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

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    I see the resemblance to Sirtis, but I'm still getting Space Cher.
     
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  9. DaveyNY

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    I don't see any problem with Seven being Bi.

    She may have been with Chakotay and it seems that things just didn't click.
    So later on she meets someone else (Bjayzl) that stirs something in her to become romantically involved, unknowingly being lead on.

    At this point she is extremely emotionally compromised and won't be getting romantically involved with anybody else for some time, if ever.


    She had no qualms about Sex, until her personal experiences began to destroy her life.
     
  10. bookworm8571

    bookworm8571 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Unlike Dix, I thoroughly enjoyed this episode and think it was well written and thought provoking. Seven of Nine IS human and has spent 20 odd years reclaiming that humanity and figuring out what that means. She’s still outspoken, still a rebel, and it makes sense that she’d be fighting for the underdog. I have no idea if she’s supposed to be gay or bisexual or heterosexual or none of the above but I think she’d probably have been interested in the possibilities, if only from a scientific perspective, and “Jay” would have been intrigued.
     
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    Seven has been free from the collective for 25 years. Why wouldn't she be more human? I mean that was the entire arc for her character in Voyager.

    And of course you have an issue with Seven being sexually ambiguous or more to the point a Lesbian. Gee, i wonder why that could be?
     
  12. TPezz

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    I’m here for Seven being queer.
    I personally am gay, but honestly, that’s the most boring part about me.
    I HATE watching shows where being gay becomes such a huge part of the characters storyline. I loved the Stamets/ Culber relationship in Discovery, until they split up, because it was a non event. They were just two guys who happened to be married, just like any straight couple. It wasn’t the main focus of their storyline’s like it is in so many other shows (especially ones where a known heterosexual character “turns” gay).
    I would hope by the 24th/25th century homophobia isn’t a thing.
     
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    I think it makes perfect sense for Seven to be bi or gay.

    That said, for all its so-called liberal values, IMHO Star Trek has a terrible history of depicting diversity in this regard, be it by having gay characters, or background stuff, or even, say, the EMH presenting Seven a list with "eligible" people - all of them male. So I wouldn't mind to see that explored in a meaningful way. Of course it should be casual in the sense that being "gay" or"bi" or whatever is not the topic.It's the 24th century, for crying out loud. It should be part of the normal drama of a Trek show.

    That said, in all the ST I have watched, I found only one romance I really liked, so... be careful what you wish for, I guess!
     
  14. Tim Thomason

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    To be perfectly honest, the idea of Seven/Bjayzl never even entered my mind during the episode. Seven was pretty much sexless in Voyager, but on the verge of discovering her sexuality multiple times, especially near the end. In the Endgame timeline, she apparently ended up with Chakotay, implying some fluidity to her eventual preferences if she also was intimate with Bjayzl.

    Sexually speaking, Seven was a child during Voyager (which is a problem many of us had with the Chakotay pairing at the end). The Doctor was too, in many ways, despite his numerous implied sexual encounters during Voyager. I don't begrudge him too badly for creeping on things. He broke personal boundaries, but he was also becoming human, just as Seven was. If they ever re-introduce him, I hope he ended up a competent, well-adjusted family man, and overcame the programmed creep factor.
     
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    I normally would hate that a character's sexuality would be rewritten in such an off-hand manner. HOWEVER, a recently video by Steve Shives pointed out that Seven of Nine was considered something of a rolemodel for LGBT, so I feel happy that what they see in the character has been confirmed.
     
  16. Spot's Meow

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    Interesting. A romantic relationship between Seven and Bjayzl did not occur to me while watching the episode. That would certainly make things more interesting. It seemed to me that they were just close friends.
     
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    Holographic jazzels?

    Whether it's hot glue or cold glue, removing will hurt... if you can't be bothered to wait for them to fall off as your scrub grows back.

    Beverly Crusher.

    They stuck her boyfriend's soul inside a monkey and she spanked it for half a week.

    That was a temp fix, but the final solution was to stuff her boyfriend inside a girl.

    The Boyfriend, now with ladyparts, was told to move along.

    TNG The Host s04e23.

    It seems like transphobia now, but at the time 30 years ago, it looked like homophobia, or just simply a dislike of committing homosexual acts.
     
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  18. Charles Phipps

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    Well it'd bisexual given she had some male relationships and it doesn't seem like they'd be confusing in the 24th century.

    Personally, I think they should retcon Kira and Garak and Bashir to all be bi.

    The Mirror Universe doesn't change your sexuality and it was the intent with Garek and Bashir anyway.
     
  19. Guy Gardener

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    Seven had the sexual histories of every bugger she'd ever assimilated wrote to memory.

    A million hours of banging, on the tip of her tongue.
     
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    Bev not turning bi all of a sudden has nothing to do with any phobia.